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Monday is Cinco de Mayo

Monday is Cinco de Mayo. A few years ago four students showed up wearing American flag apparel on May 5 at a high school in Morgan Hill. They were told to turn their shirts inside out or go home which they did. Parties sued and so far the courts have supported the school administrators who told them to go home.

Why can't they celebrate international day for everyone? Other ethnic groups should be encouraged to celebrate their roots also. Latinos may be the majority in that school. That doesn't mean they are the only group who has their heritage celebrated at a public school. These types of single ethnic celebrations should be confined to private property.


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I think that national holidays should be celebrated in the nation where they are meant to be celebrated - and not here. I don't like Cinco de Mayo, St Patrick's day, bastille day, Guy Fawks day - and other such.

I like precocious's idea of an international day for everyone. We are international and that is worthy of a celebration.

Holidays should bring us together - not set us apart.

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Fearing a skirmish as a result of students making a statement about Cinco de Mayo by wearing the US flag - the 4 boys purposely wore US "colors" that day to make a statement - the school asked them to change their shirts (or turn them inside-out) to prevent any potential violence. The actions of the boys who wore the flag T's were interpreted as incendiary. The U.S. District Court in San Jose supported the school.

This may or may not have abridged their 1st amendment rights. Schools can set and enforce rules about clothing that transcend the public standards. There are many reasons for this and most parents/students sign-off on these rules.

I look at it as a contextual issue. You wouldn't wear a thong and bra (only) to work, even if it were legal and met some corporate standard. Why? You know it would be a career-limiting move. You know you need to make an effort to appear professional at work. You understand that doing so might create a distraction and attract negative attention. Why? You're not an effing idiot. You get it. Why did 4 teenage boys wear American Flag t-shirts on that day and that context? They're like most teenage boys. In other words, effing idiots.

So these boys got a lesson in context. We can all bang drums and ride our motorcycles to the school and disingenuously claim we won't disturb the students and blah blah blah patriotism. But that's being an effing idiot too.

Maybe this will make it to the Supremes and be another "TINKER v. DES MOINES INDEPENDENT COMMUNITY SCHOOL DISTRICT". I hope not. It doesn't deserve that sort of attention or respect.

Now, let the jingo jango spew and the drums of "patriotism" bang away.


Barnus, I guess we'll be restricted to Native American festivities from here on out, right?


...besides "International Everyone's Holiday" day, that is.


Wow Barnus. Just wow!

Christmas out. Passover out. Easter out. Kwanza out?

Come on man.


Put I want to dress up my Chihuahua with a blanket and sombrero.


If Barnus had his way, these would be the only national holidays:

Fourth of July, Presidents Day, Thanksgiving, Memorial Day, Labor Day, and Melting Pot Day.

If people want to celebrate their own special holidays, do it at home or in church.

Same as with Spanish, Hebrew, and Mandarin. I don't want to hear it. I don't understand what is being said and worry they are talking about me.

I don't like music with foreign lingo in it. Never have since: -- Web Link

I want everybody to talk the same, dress the same, and celebrate the same holidays.


A Festivus for the rest of us?

And Coasters, you are on fire! Well said. I love the observation about teenage boys -spot on. Enjoy...


Don't get me wrong. I have kids of both genders. They, like all of us, learn in stages. The trick is making it through those stages as closely to the appropriate ages as possible. When teenagers act like teenagers we smile and roll our eyes and laugh. When grown people act like teenagers we call them morons, they don't get promoted and we don't invite them over for dinner unless they're relatives.


@Coasters

Oh, I hear ya' and could not agree more. I gave up on some relatives years ago and leave the area around Thanksgiving!


HYG, I wouldn't ever completely give-up on my relatives. It can be tricky though and it's nice to be away for the holidays sometimes.

Kids are half-baked. One concern in this case is that their parents appear to be helping to escalate the issue. Is this really about those kids and their 1st amendment rights or about the parents' issues with the school and community?


VIVA MEXICO!!!

Viva mis amigos del corazon-

Viva otra ladros.

Viva la raza

Happy Cinco De Mayo friends and neighbors.

I think I'll celebrate by learning one new thing about our closest economic and cultural associate.

I was surprised to find Mexico and California competing for the title of the 8th largest economy in the world.

Funny to think about all the people that have to fight for their lunch there,

and how we want to make it exactly the same here.

Can't wait for the chance to take away any government liability.

Can't wait for the chance to consolidate wealth to the top 1% just like there.

It won't be long till we find people from the US immigrating illegally to find their lunch.

Sad our brothers to the south haven't taught us crap about how not to ruin a country.

Although you all know Cinco De Mayo isn't Mexican Independence Day I'm sure some forget what it does celebrate.

The courage and willingness of the Mexican people to fight for their country.

A noble remembrance if you asked me.

For a few punk kids to muck up the entire thing is more a commentary of how our nation is full of ineffectual and mind diseased parents than of any racial issue anywhere.

Talk to any activist types. Even racist ones.

They'll all tell you fighting over any of this at the street level is so passe, so 1970's

it's the lawyers you all are hearing about now.

Hire one of your own.

You'll find one more than happy to make a headline and take your money.

Then HMB will become like so many other places.

A couple racists will be able to polarize the rest of us.

There will be a perceived divide.

It will bite us in the butt in ways you obviously do not see.

COMMUNICATION is the key to education.

In learning about our brothers and sisters whether born in the US or in Mexico, you would find the level of family involvement and pride in seeing a son or daughter make it to law school,

or of that first home purchase,

and all your fears would melt.

It would be easy to see that crime, gangs, low wage workers, and many other ills have been blanketed over a population that deserves praise and recognition for their outstanding commitment and interest in following through on making our coast as great a place to live as any.

I don't believe any of the racist bs that goes around.

Every group has been targeted by racists at one time or another.

It really only gets bad during economic hard times.

The economy is looking up.

Give the people our holiday.

Make it a state holiday in California.

So 1970's...

VIVA LA RAZA!!!!


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Vote Aqui!


Barnus, you cracked me up with that one. No holidays from other countries? Really?

There are 50 million Irish-Americans in the United States. YOU tell them they shouldn't be celebrating St. Paddy's Day. I don't have that kind of courage. Sorta like my teeth where they are.

And aside from the Wearin' O' The Green, you're missing out on a lot of great parties for Cinco, Chinese New Year and Hanukkah. (Never been to a Bastille Day party myself, but who knows?)


Tomorrow,

let's all look to the future and celebrate the roots of our cultural heritage with a close look at what it can teach us.

That little park aside pilarcitos creek would make a perfect host for a heritage festival.

I'd encourage any californios to share local stories pictures etc.

They technically gave Vinod Khosla his reason for closing Martins Beach.

I'd say Mexican heritage to be at least equal to any other heritage we celebrate.

I don't get the racism,

but so what,

soon enough classism will overtake racism as the best reason to hate someone.

Like I said, too many smart mexicans to think petty racist banter will change the direction we all are headed.

Petty schoolkid bs.

Print the voter pamphlet in mandarin etc.

Why wouldn't you?


Again:

Holidays should be designed to bring us together - not to set us apart from one another.

It doesn't surprise me that some folk think otherwise.

It also doesn't surprise me that some folk who support holidays that set us apart are the same folk who are quick to cry racism.

Racism, people, is an effort to set us apart - not to bring us together.


Why would anyone object to a group of people celebrating their uniqueness and their contribution to our culture. It does not divide us. We don't need less of these celebrations, we need more.

If you have never attended a Ukrainian Festival, a Polska Day Festival, or a Puerto Rican Day event, you should.

These celebrations are a gigantic family reunion. Enjoy!


What is wrong with Americans being Americans rather than thinking of themselves as some other nationality simply because their ancestors hailed from that nation? Well, usually they don't even know if their ancestors came from that other country - but they have been told as much and that is enough. That, in my mind, is not a good thing. It is divisive. People who want to divide people into groups usually have some ulterior motive. Al Sharpton, for example, does it for money.


Barnus wrote:

Holidays should be designed to bring us together - not to set us apart from one another.

I think these celebrations are designed to bring everyone together, but it requires us to willingly participate. Sometimes that's difficult, but that's not a function of the holiday.

It's our own values that place us on the outside looking in. For many reasons, I'm not a big fan of New Years Eve and tend spend that night quietly, contemplatively. I don't begrudge the revelers, I just try to keep champagne off my nice shoes and my car out of Curly and Red's.

Cinco de Mayo is a bit like the 4th of July. It encompasses a lot of other feelings for people of Mexican descent, too. It has a close relationship to our own Civil War and France's support of the Confederacy.

It's also a great excuse to have a nice cold Margarita, chips and salsa with your spouse and friends. Viva Mexico!


Most of you except, for Barnus, have missed the point, in your efforts to be politically correct. Why is it not racist to have a celebration day for one ethnic group on public property for one ethnicity and not the rest? It would be far better to have "heritage day" where everyone celebrates where they came from. The four boys said they wore shirts to celebrate being Americans. Why on earth on you attacking them?

The majority minority, if you will, gets this celebration of their heritage while kids of other countries get what?


And no, July 4th and New Year's celebrations are not ethnic specific. That is the point.


So no Christmas? No Easter? No Holy Ghost Festival? No MLK day? No All Saints Day? No Passover? No Mothers day? No Fathers day? No Chinese New Year Parade?

Only secular holidays? Sounds kind of boring in a nation that values individualism and freedom of thought. As for the four kids with Americans Flags on their clothing, other than it is bad form to abuse the flag on a piece of clothing, they should have been allowed to make their political statement and ignored.


"...gets this celebration of their heritage while kids of other countries get what?"

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and New Year's celebrations are not ethnic specific.

Chinese New Year? Web Link

Iranian New Year? Web Link

Jewish New Year? Web Link


Why is it not racist to have a celebration day for one ethnic group on public property for one ethnicity and not the rest?

How is Cinco de Mayo for one ethnic group?

Mexico has three primary ethnic groups: Mestizos, Amerindians and White Mexicans. So, in limiting CDM to just Mexico, you're already looking at a multi-ethnic celebration. Extending that celebration to countries where you have Mexican expatriates and next/subsequent generational people of Mexican descent, you have a multitude of ethnicities who are participating in CDM. Then add people of other ethnicities who are tolerant and participative, you have a world of ethnicities involved.

That's not "politically correct", it's factually correct and a world-view that leads to understanding instead of intolerance.

What are you folks intimidated about? Losing the whiteness of America? Get over it. It's a small world and most people are brown or yellow, not white. Embrace that or suffer. America does not equal white. America equals Americans and they come in all shapes, sizes, creeds and colors. Once again, that's not "politically correct" (dog whistle for accepting diversity), it's a fact.


Still missing the point. Children who do not want to take part in Cinco de Mayo at school don't have much choice do they? Their parents shouldn't have to stay home and babysit them if they or the kids don't want to go. That's not the crux of what I'm talking about anyway. It's about treating certain ethnic groups at school with special days while others are ignored.These ethnic celebrations should take place on private property or in homes. Things like St Patrick day parades and Holy Ghost festivals in the streets require a permit. People who don't want to participate can walk away.

The schools can't very well have a holiday day for each ethnic group...the Polish, the Russians, the English, the Sudanese and on and on. That's why I'm pushing for heritage day to be all inclusive, unlike those posters here who celebrate exclusion.

Personally I like ethnic varieties of people, food, dress. They just should not be forced on people to the exclusion of others.That's why I live in California for all the diversity. In Ohio, not so much. Where I come from, good luck finding a good Mexican, Chinese, Japanese restaurant.


I think the main theme here is people feeling like something's being "forced on them" or "shoved down their throats".

Other things I see people complaining about having "forced on them":

1) The Gay lifestyle

2) Atheism

3) Government

4) Laws that dictate public safety

5) Taxes

6) Change

7) Healthcare

8) The poor

9) Chem-trails

10) Mosques

11) Uppity Women

12) Red-legged Frogs

13) Tunnels

14) Welfare Queens

15) The IRS

16) Diversity

17) Libtards

18) Regulation of Firearms

19) Not being able to see Russia from their Porch

20) Law Enforcement Officers

21) Nancy Pelosi's Plastic Surgery

22) Democrats covering-up Benghazi (Republican cover-ups aren't so bothersome, apparently)

23) Illusive WMD's

24) Drugs, unless they're manufacture by Pharmaceutical companies.

25) The Mainstream Media, unless it's YOUR mainstream media.

So many complaints, so little time...


The misanthopes have re-appeared.

Why would you think that you have a right to approve or disapprove the holiday others wish to celebrate?

What punishments would you suggest for those celebrating a non approved Holiday?

For the misanthropes who are not up to date on genetics:

Mexican is not a race. Irish is not a race. This is not a "racist issue" it is a nationality issue.

Enjoy the party. Learn about other's heritage. Celebrate that we are all unique and all Americans. Or Don't. But don't try to stop others from doing so.


>>What are you folks intimidated about? Losing the whiteness of America? Get over it. It's a small world and most people are brown or yellow, not white. Embrace that or suffer. America does not equal white. America equals Americans and they come in all shapes, sizes, creeds and colors. Once again, that's not "politically correct" (dog whistle for accepting diversity), it's a fact.<<

There it is - if you are not in favor of dividing Americans up into groups of people who must be reminded that, because of their ancestry or their race they are different than other Americans - you are a racist.

How sad. It is just exactly that sort of divisiveness that assures that the races will not get along as they should.

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>>Why would you think that you have a right to approve or disapprove the holiday others wish to celebrate?<< - - - - - I think that anybody has the right to approve or disapprove of anything, and folk, including you, express approval or disapproval of things frequently.

I have explained my reasoning a couple of times. I think that we should be brought together and not divided up into groups that are easily exploited. Holidays that do the latter are divisive. To my mind, divisiveness is bad.

>>What punishments would you suggest for those celebrating a non approved Holiday?<< - - - - - - None, of course. I don't know what might have led you to think otherwise. I have no wish to tell others what they may or may not do as long as they are reasonably considerate of others and stay within the law - mostly. There are, nonetheless, things I don't like and wish folk would not do - for their own sake, for my sake and for the general well being.

>>Mexican is not a race. Irish is not a race.<< - - - - - True. but anybody who says anything unhappy about Mexicans or the Irish is likely to be called a racist. I think that is because folk who are compulsive about such things are so limited in their outlook and so narrow minded.

>>This is not a "racist issue" it is a nationality issue.<< Says who?

Boney, I do wish that you would eschew name calling and crude imputations.


There it is - if you are not in favor of dividing Americans up into groups of people who must be reminded that, because of their ancestry or their race they are different than other Americans - you are a racist.

That happens in Mosques, Temples, and Churches every week.

Having unifying Holidays is good. But so is celebrating one's heritage.

I have my own take on Cinco De Mayo. I think it is a Francophobic holiday.


How sad. It is just exactly that sort of divisiveness that assures that the races will not get along as they should.

I said the following:

It's a small world and most people are brown or yellow, not white. Embrace that or suffer. America does not equal white. America equals Americans and they come in all shapes, sizes, creeds and colors. Once again, that's not "politically correct" (dog whistle for accepting diversity), it's a fact.

How the heck does THAT equal divisiveness? It's the OPPOSITE. I'm saying we need to get over the divisiveness, of being pushed out of shape by the differences and EMBRACE them. It's interesting. It's educational. It's compassionate. It's mature and, most of all, it's necessary in this world these days. If what you're saying is having to accept that causes a divide, that's like saying facing an illness makes you sick. It makes absolutely makes no sense except and a very basic emotional level - racism.

Lastly, re. the phrase, "...as they should." . There is no "as they should", there is simply getting along and treating people with respect and not being threatened by their "otherness". Being humans.


>>That happens in Mosques, Temples, and Churches every week.<< - - - - - Ah! It must be a good thing then.

>>I said the following: It's a small world and most people are brown or yellow, not white.<< - - - - - You forgot about this part "What are you folks intimidated about? Losing the whiteness of America? Get over it." That part, of course, is just an accusation of racism. As is this "It makes absolutely makes no sense except and a very basic emotional level - racism."

You do seem to be obsessed with racism.

>>Lastly, re. the phrase, "...as they should." . There is no "as they should", there is simply getting along and treating people with respect and not being threatened by their "otherness". Being humans.<< - - - - - You think what you want. I believe that folk of different races SHOULD get along.


funny how things really work./

that we're having a stupid conversation of why racism is racism is actually a good thing.

No single group deserves any more or less than any other single group, based on race etc etc etc.

That's not the question.

The question is, if a kid came to school on the 4th of July in full traditional indigenous regalia along with several friends, and made sure every person in the school knew they were doing it to protest the celebrating of white independence day?

What then?

Answer that question, don't go off in another direction.

Answer me.


Good point, bigsea, You could pose a similar scenario for Thanksgiving.


>>Answer that question<<

I think that the teacher SHOULD explain to the costumed kid that others might find that to be offensive - it might bother them and while the general subject is worthy of discussion, the timing is bad. It is not good to needlessly bother others and cause them some unhappiness.

I think that the mainstream kids should and would tolerate the costumed kid and even express sympathy with his cause.

By the way, the the Fourth of July is not a day on which to celebrate WHITE independence day.

You seem to believe that the scenerio that you describe is not a good scenario. I hope so and I agree that it is not. It would be divisive.

Divisiveness is bad.


At what point does the avoidance of divisiveness become a trampling of individualism?


>>At what point does the avoidance of divisiveness become a trampling of individualism?<<

I guess that is the other side of it. Good point.


"By the way, the the Fourth of July is not a day on which to celebrate WHITE independence day."

Well, actually it is. The Native Americans and Negro slaves were not included and both were denigrated in the document.

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Some liberals love to imply that our founding documents are "pro-slavery," but they're wrong. Even Fredrick Douglass changed his mind on that topic: Web Link

The reason that slaves were counted as 3/5 a man was to limit the political power of the pro-slavery southern states, not to diminish the humanity of blacks.


>>Well, actually it is.<<

Nope. when we celebrate the 4th of July we do not celebrate WHITE Independence Day.

Well, actually, I can't speak for everybody - maybe that is what a few folk like Bigsea celebrates. Who knows. In my many decades I have never seen or heard the term before Bigsea offered it up.

I didn't think that was nice.

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Francis, the discussion was about the 4th of July and you bring up the Constitution.

Here is what the Declaration of Independence says about Indians:

"He [King George] has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions."

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Hi Barnus, please accept my apology, I didn't mean to force any conclusions.

FD has caught on now, you will too.

I often write things that couldn't be supported, additionally I don't believe this to be one of those times.

I didn't call it white people's independence day. Although I've heard many of the traditional judeo-christian-white-european based holidays and their reveler's called much worse.

I don't think any reason for a party on Monday should be overlooked.

In addition,

What if 4 people, all enrolled students, a mix of 2 girls and 2 boys, decided to come to class in full native regalia and started in on everyone about how their own treaty supercedes anything anybody wanted to say, do, or wish for?

What if a few tribal members showed up to class, wearing regalia, said christmas is stupid, and when asked to please desist, they wouldn't?

What then?

What if an aztec asked for half their treasure back?

Barnus, I appreciate you're no racist, but the lilly rose path leads to a bog.

If you want to start telling people what to do or say,

maybe you can start with asking the hard questions, and about how there are myriad solutions to any small issue like 4 students showing up inappropriately dressed.

I won't even talk about modesty.

My gosh that y'all don't make the connections seems contrived


I'm still very confused about recognition of unique celebrations, etc, being divisive. Shouldn't honoring and recognizing (and celebrating) ancestral traditions be easy? I don't perceive Cinco de Mayo as some sort of threat to the US or disrespectful. Drunken mayhem aside.

Is the phrase "Celebrate Diversity" a hot button for conservatives? It's the bedrock of our society. It has its complexities, but greater benefits in the long run. Times change, but our ability to weather those changes and make do - to roll with it - is imperative.


I grew up in a small, French or French-Canadian village in New England. While most, especially the older folk, considered themselves to be French, there was a smaller group of folk who considered them selves to be English. If someone was asked what their nationality was, they would respond "French" or "English" or maybe something else. Never "American"

It was before my time, but I heard tell that on the eve of July 4th, a group of the "Frenchies" would march through the village singing:

The Night before the Fourth,

The Night before the Fourth,

We kicked the Johnny Bulls' asses,

We kicked the Johnny Bulls' asses,

We kicked the Johnny Bulls' asses -

The Night before the Fourth.

As I said - it was before my time, if you can imagine that, and i never saw it. I did hear the Old Timers talking about it with some joviality.

Even as a little boy, I knew that was wrong. I guess I didn't know why - I just knew.

Sometimes I think that, even in a changing world, not much has changed.

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>>It's the bedrock of our society.<<

The bedrock of our society - THE thing that made America great - was the melting pot - not diversity promoted to better enable politicians to set one group against another - the better to control them.


^^^ Here is what the Declaration of Independence says about Indians: ^^^

I know what it says. And I know what you said to justify the assertion that Independence Day is for white people.

You can say the "sky is blue" all day long and it won't make your implication that our founding documents are racist, bigoted or pro-slavery.

Independence Day is not a white holiday. It should be celebrated by all Americans, not just those that receive BB's okay.


Do Mexican schools hold celebrations or special events for the US's Fourth of July? Not a rhetorical question, I just don't know.

I too wish we had a more politically correct "Heritage Day" to celebrate the mixing pot. Celebrating just one "old country" puts too much emphasis on that one. What about Peru? Thailand? Nepal? Israel? What is so special about Mexico?

So I say "no" to official Cinco de Mayo school events unless other countries are given the same interest.


It's good to hear that things are going well at the high school in Morgan Hill today. Big fences were put up and students were encouraged to wear the school colors, green and gold.

The parents of one of the boys from the flag wearing incident

four years ago showed up with a cross decorated with an American and Mexican flag. The mother was wearing a big button with her son's picture of him in military fatigues as he is evidently in the service now. She was asked by the news media why her son had to wear flag clothes on Cinco de Mayo and she said "why not?" She has it right.


It's unAmerican to ask citizens to wear another country's colors. If I were staff I would be wearing red white and blue, not a foreign flag.


I think you may be confused uffish,green and gold may be some country's national colors, but I know not which,

maybe Moldova or some Island nation?

Mexico's national colors are nearly the same as our own.

Red white and green.

Not green and gold.

Seems the students are leading counterdemonstrations inside the school.

They have all come together regarding the 50 troublemakers outside the school.

The students have asked for them to leave.

What do you think about that?

Should the students have a say in how people treat the school and its immediate environment?

Bunch of thug ripoff crybabies wrapping themselves in the flag,

as far as the bikers,

hahahah


singing the national anthem,

hahaha.

recognize those two bit wannabe putz bully leatherclad man hugging twits for what they are.


So does Mexican celebrate the American 4th of July?

>>"VIVA LA RAZA!!!"<< That's the literal definition of racism. Get lost, La Raza.


haaahhaaaahahahaaaa

bunch of loonie tunes today.

hahahahhaa


Is anybody here aware of the fact that the school in question told everybody to wear whatever flag they wanted to wear today?

The kids have moved past it: -- Web Link

The adults want to score points. Will they take on St. Patrick's Day next? -- Web Link

Ban the Shamrock!!


Wish they would do away with these ethnic centered celebrations in schools altogether. That includes Cinco de Mayo. St' Patrick's Day, Chinese New Year, Kwanza and all the rest. They are too divisive. They should be done at home, or on private property, or at least somewhere you don't have to take part if you feel otherwise.


So does Mexican celebrate the American 4th of July?

Many do. So do the Irish, Chinese, British, Canadians, Vietnamese, El Salvadorians, Nigerians, Indians, Russians, and Germans.

The American ones I mean.

Question. Does anybody foresee a Tea Party Patriots Flag Rally being provoked by this? -- Web Link


Wish they would do away with these ethnic centered celebrations in schools altogether.

Does that include Christmas and Easter?


Holy cow Bigsea, are you really -that- uninformed? What else do you think it means? Get back to us after you look up the term "raza."


The US is predominately a Christian country. Christmas and Easter are important to a majority of people in this country, regardless of country of origin. They are not ethnic centered holidays.


Yep, just as I suspected the whole time.

The tenet central to many faiths is to do unto others as you'd have them do toward you. In places other than prison or conservative red state america, this still holds true.

Salinas and Watsonville have fabulous public celebrations and fiestas.

Some of them very ethnic.

I'd like to see those 2 dozen bad boy biker chap wearing harley dudes go play their tune there.

Or in san berdoo

Yeah,

quite a bunch out in front of that school today.

They embarrass me as a fellow american


Maybe Bundy's tea party racist vigilantes can ride in on quads and jeeps and make a hell of a sight!

WWWHHHHOOOOEEEE we'd have us a good ol time dragging somebody down the street chained behind a pick up truck

YYEEEE HAAWWWW goober,

get me the phone,

lets see if we can get about a half peck of biker lard out front to rev their pipes at the same time!!1


Uff, agitated, wrote,

>>"VIVA LA RAZA!!!"<< That's the literal definition of racism. Get lost, La Raza.

It actually means the opposite, Uff. It refers to a race of people combined from Latinos, Hispanic, Asiatic, African and Europeans.

It is the opposite of racism in that La Raza envisions a harmony of races not panties wadded and frustrated at the thought of races mixing and getting along.

Viva La Raza, indeed.


Bullcr@p:

"We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. "For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.”

The two-sentence motto means “For The Race everything. Outside The Race, nothing.”


Moreon racist, aggressive Hispanics:

"Americans now are being blasted as “racist” for the simple act of waving an American flag.

It happened Monday in California to a small group of protesters who waved U.S. flags in front of a school where officials had banned the practice ---> to avoid violence threatened by Hispanic students <--- celebrating Cinco de Mayo."

“F— your American flag. Racist as f—s. I’ll always have pride with my Mexican flag but not the American one,” wrote Ivan Mora.

“What’s wrong with these white people holding up American flags in Morgan hill??? Racist a–holes."

Such wonderful additions to this country.

Expel any student threatening violence for political purposes. That is terrorism plain and simple. Deport any non-citizen adults who threaten that too.

To hell with any foreigners who come here and then complain about our flag and country. There's no reason we need them here and -zero- reason to keep them after that.

They can go home or attempt to find some other place that would be so stupid as to take them.


Their own countries don't want them back. They send too much money back home.


>>Does that include Christmas and Easter?<<

Money keeps them alive despite heroic efforts to trash them. To Bad! Christmas is one of our happiest times.

Sometimes the power of money is a good thing.

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>>Many do. So do the Irish, Chinese, British, Canadians, Vietnamese, El Salvadorians, Nigerians, Indians, Russians, and Germans. The American ones I mean.<<

I know what you mean - but it looks oxymoronic.

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So much anger over an issue that is four years old. The school stated that anybody was welcome to where any shirt with any flag on it that they felt like.

The kids at this school seem to have moved on: -- Web Link

The US is predominately a Christian country. Christmas and Easter are important to a majority of people in this country, regardless of country of origin. They are not ethnic centered holidays.

So religious centered holidays are OK but ethnic Holidays are not.

Is All Saints Day an ethnic Holiday? Is St Patricks Day an ethnic holiday? Is Confederate Memorial Day and ethnic Holiday?

Sometimes the power of money is a good thing. --

"Now, the Cinco de Mayo holiday is considered by marketers as the spring version of St. Patrick's Day: an opportune time to sell beer, liquor and snacks. For Corona beer, which is imported from Mexico, the date has become the cornerstone of the brand's marketing plan, bringing big returns for the two-week promotional window, selling more than an estimated 100 million bottles." -- Web Link

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I have no idea what all of you fear from Cinco de Mayo.

The free marketeers love this holiday - wouldn't you say its rather enterprising for a certain Industry?

What I really can't get my head around might have to do with respect for Cultural insensitivities.

The Principal asked that all kids not wear a certain item of clothing. You entrust your children to Public Schools that set rules, and normally you ask your children to obey them. Have we become a society that wants our impressionable young children to do as they please?

Doese first admendment rights take precedent over teaching children respect for school authority while on campus?

UT, Someday I hope you will not fear foreigners.....Using an example from one person - you sort of sound like Putin.


>>"Doese first admendment rights take precedent over teaching children respect for school authority while on campus?"<<

Of course they do. Reasonable Constitutional rights do. The two are not incompatible if school authorities do not overstep their bounds.

>>"UT, Someday I hope you will not fear foreigners....."<<

Haha, you can imagine all you like but you're wrong. I like legal immigrants who come here to be American. There is no excuse for any other type.

>>"Using an example from one person - you sort of sound like Putin."<<

In exactly what way Granny? Please try to make a logical argument.


>>I have no idea what all of you fear from Cinco de Mayo.<<

Fear? Come on. Calm down. Concern doesn't equate to fear.

As Bring me pointed out - it's over. It happened some time ago and since then the Principal told the Kids they could wear what they wanted to - within reason, I assume. It wouldn't be so good if they were to go to school in nothing but jackstraps - decorated with flags - though some might think that would be fun.


I wonder what granny would say about Alaskans who claim they have no use for America or her God Damn Institutions? Would granny support such an Alaskan? Would somebody who wants to lead America be trusted if they sought the support of people who had no use for America and her God Damn institutions? -- Web Link

We have Texan Governors talking about secession, Bundy Militia's declaring war on the Federal Government, and Rebels waving the Confederate Flag. We have posters here who seem to think civil war is once again inevitable. The 47% against the 53% or something like that.

I think Bigoted Hispanics, both American ones and foreign, are near the bottom of our problems.


And let me clarify something I said- constitutional rights are reasonable of course, but the meat is in someone's interpretation of them. Classic case being not yelling fire in a theatre etc.


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"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."


The pledge of allegiance is a Socialist plot to replace God with the State: -- Web Link


>>tea party bikini american flag<<

Obviously little or none of that has anything to do with the tea party, but that's OK. Any excuse for a party.

I guess I just don't get around that much.


hey there friends and neighbors,

I'm glad to read at least a few guffaws once in a while,

this thread has me laughing.

Racism going the one direction is disturbing.

Coming the other way around is downright maddening.

Imagine a freshfaced 26 year old who studied islam, social work, and advanced first aid in order to deliver any kind of help they might render in all places, Algeria.

Then imagine the 26 year old freshfaced do gooder's significant other, having ZERO of the above mentioned preparations for aid delivery.

Touched down in Algeria and who was the person most trusted by the locals???

Try the zero trained significant other.

Now you probably wonder why,

I did too at first.

Then it became clear,

the significant other's skin and heritage although western were decidedly not caucasian.

That was the only difference as far as I know.

Whenever any of the said skills were required, all the set up came from the significant other.

Goes to show,

defeating racism in any of its forms must be among humanity's loftiest goals.

Good luck,

and this is California.


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