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City meeting seeks public input on budget

Half Moon Bay leaders want to hear ideas from the public for how to balance the city’s budget deficit. The city is hosting a community input meeting next week to gather public comment on how to find new revenues or cuts in the coming months.

Last month, City Council members asking staff to investigate a number of ways to generate local funds, such as installing parking meters, raising local fees or even contracting out the local police force. City staff plans to take those ideas, along with any suggestions offered by the public, and return to the council after studying them in March or April.

The public study session will be held at 6 p.m., on Feb. 17 at the Ted Adcock Community / Senior Center.


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"Half Moon Bay leaders want to hear ideas from the public for how to balance the city’s budget deficit"

That is as true as "I'm here from the government and I want to help you" or "I promise to respect you in the morning."

Half Moon Bay leaders want Half Moon Bay taxpayers to give them more money or they will be "pissed". They care not how they get it but they are intent on protecting their fiefdoms.


How can anyone give input if we have no idea what is going on?

What was the first six months of revenue? How does that compare to the budget?

Same with expenses.

Is this really that hard?

The City Council needs to give the City Manager direction, not the other way around. Have they not figured that out yet?


Fire the City Manager. Since we are going to have to disincorporate, why do we need one and can anybody explain why she does in the first place?

Farm out the police force.Duh.

End parks and rec, they couldn't even manage the one park they have correctly and will have to shut it down because they can't come up with 50,000 to fix it. How many thousands did they spend to find that out? Did they build the bike path to nowhere with funds that should have been used to maintain the little that we have?

Fire the person who chose the trees that were planted that will inevitably destroy the side walks. Fire the whole department seeing as nobody took the time to find out what the best practices were with regards to trees and side walks.

Stop subsidising the Chamber of Commerce. These folks are totally useless to the business community. They have done nothing original in the 15 years I have been paying rent on Main Street. They even advocated that the local business community put them selves at a competitive disadvantage by supporting the sales tax rip off attempt. Has anybody ever heard of a Chamber of Commerce that advocated putting the business that they are paid to advocate for in a competitive disadvantage? See my number one goal of organisations for the obvious reason the COC supported tacking on a point to most transactions.

Fire anybody associated with building the fire-house at the south end of town. Way bigger than is required for our humble little piece of paradise.

Pay attention to what the council is saying. When Ms. Patridge muses that HMB is at the end of the San Mateo Sheriffs Patrol, call her on it. When Mr. Alifano claims that he is a Main Street Merchant and that we should support a sales tax increase, ask yourself, is his business even affected by it? Does he make his money off of selling goods, (which are taxed), or services, (which are not), and then ask why you should ever take his advice again. When one of them expresses that he is pissed because we didn't vote the way the polling firm that was paid thousands claimed 70% of us would, ask him how much the study cost us and how he feels about us tax payers be ripped of by the pollsters that he helped to hire?

Install a low power AM transmitter at the top of the hill and north of Montara. Give out traffic info, local info, and sell advertising to us merchants.

Stop importing competition for us Main Street merchants during Pumpkin Festival. We are eating our own and asking for more when we invite vagabond retail to participate in the best money making opportunity of the year.

Place a moratorium on the hiring of consultants. We paid thousands for a study that showed 70% support for the sales tax. Either we got ripped off or we paid for a study with a built in 20% margin of error. We paid a bunch more fore somebody to measure the kiddie park. Give me 10 minutes with Google and a yard stick and I could have done the same thing. Maybe the 180,000 dollar a year manager doesn't know how to goggle or use a measuring stick but it seems to me that if she authorised the spending of money to be told what she could have figured out for herself, that she should be sent packing.

Formulate a plan that will appease the Pumpkin Mafia and will move traffic through town during October. No left turns between the bottom of our side of the hill and Main Street for the month of October. No pedestrian crossings either. I support their right to make money but they are damned unneighbourly about it. Not much is more irritating than spending 45 minutes getting to Skylawn while watching idiots usher their families across 92 between Lemos and what ever is across the street from his tourist trap. I wonder how many people come to spend time in HMB in October who turn around an mutter "never again".

Encourage the Hispanic community to shop locally. I hardly ever see Hispanics shopping on Main Street. It is like those people living at the south end of town and on the east side of One live on the moon or something.

Declare HMB a non-profit free zone. All non-profits will be taxed like all for profits. If they don't like it, leave. We can't afford them any more.

Institute a sales tax on services that matches the sales tax I have to charge my customers. More and more, we are becoming a service based economy. I am sure that those members of the City Council who share their business expertise with us will be all for it.

Put together a turn key proposal for Beechwood. Seeing as we turned it into a wetland, we can undo it. Damn the pride of the fools that got us into the mess. They screwed up. Admit it. It isn't a wetland, never was a wetland, and should be a bunch of houses right now.

Maybe if the Review were to post links to our budget so that we could all see how our money is spent would be a good idea as they seem to be advocating that we participate in the discussion.

Kill all red legged frogs on sight and pass an ordinance against raising them in aquariums.

Kick all loclaistas out of town or at least re-educate them.

Or just admit failure and disincorporate. The experiment has failed. Ultimately, we citizens are the nincompoops that are responsible for the mess we finds ourselves in. We hosed ourselves and there is no reason to think we have gotten any smarter.

"The City Council needs to give the City Manager direction, not the other way around. Have they not figured that out yet?"

The city council wants to perpetuate it's own existence. Expecting them to consider hard choices that reduce the scope of their power is naive at best.

"Last month, City Council members asking staff to investigate a number of ways to generate local funds, such as installing parking meters, raising local fees or even contracting out the local police force. City staff plans to take those ideas, along with any suggestions offered by the public, and return to the council after studying them in March or April."

Now I realize that the above quote probably represents just the opinion of Mr. Noack but it does seem to indicate what the council is up to. The idea of making hard choices and cutting things is still not even on their radar.


Mr Noack; I appreciate your getting the word out. I'm sure that you are serious in your intent to help. However, I question the seriousness of the Council's intent.

We've heard this song and dance since November 29, 2007. That was the day after Judge Walker imposed a $42 Million judgment against HMB (with a $10 Million Budget).

Every Council has talked the talk of wanting public input as we've crashed from one crisis to another since that infamous ruling. It is now February 2011, and we still have the talk, the crisis and the gun to the head approach of time.

Many HMB residents and non HMB residents have offered their ideas on everything from cutting expenses to generating revenues since "Judgment Day" in 2007. How many have been openly discussed? How many have been implemented?

Talking the talk is one thing; walking the walk is altogether a different beast.

I am hopeful that this time will be different - but I am also very skeptical. Some of the reasons for that skepticism have been offered by others above, right here on this thread.

Hopeful, but skeptical -- yeah, that fits. We'll see.

One more point leaning to skepticism would be the format of the meeting and the meeting's Agenda:

COMMUNITY BUDGET INPUT MEETING 1. Convene Special Meeting ‐ 6:00 p.m.

2. Half Moon Bay Financial Overview

Estimated Time: 30 Minutes

3. Department Information Gathering

Estimated Time: 20 Minutes

4. Facilitated Group Input Session

Estimated Time: 20 Minutes

5. Community Input Summary

Estimated Time: 20 Minutes

6. Adjourn Special Meeting ‐ 7:30 p.m.

Just put a bow on it and it's beautiful, isn't it? What ever happened to all the Town Hall meetings that have been promised for years (since 2005)? Looking at the meeting Agenda, I walk away with feelings of regimentation, control, formality, bureaucracy, lack of transparency, and a genuine feeling of disingenuous intentions.

Why won't the City leaders open the choke? Hold a Town Hall meeting at a time that is most likely to maximize public attendance. Provide all financial data available to the City to the public, in advance of the meeting. Pitch the rigidity of the above Agenda in favor of spontaneous input and exchange of ideas. Pitch the 20 minutes here and 20 minutes there in favor of let's get this out there however long it takes and get the job done. Hold multiple Town Hall meetings, as many as we can have in the short timeframe we've been given (again). Explore every option offered...publicly. Brainstorm, as we used to call it, until we accomplish the goal - and it is doable.

Work with us mere mortals that elected you instead of micro-managing and trying to control everything.

I have seen no evidence to date that this upcoming meeting will be any different than the ones before it.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong. Like I said above, I am hopeful but skeptical.


Thanks, George, for publishing the agenda. Twenty Friggin' Minutes.

That is how badly the council wants input. They give the citizens Twenty Friggin' Minutes to make their ideas heard.

George, my thought is if you get the floor, there will be no time for anyone else to speak.

If they were really interested in input, they would publish their Financial Overview in advance so that there would be an opportunity for thoughtful discussion.

Many people are capable of still being alert after 7:30. Some even stay awake until 9:00 PM!!!!!


Mr Bills, if it makes you feel any better I'm not sure I'm going, but if I do I doubt I'll talk. You're right, I talk too much. Plus that, I've been giving them ideas (mostly out of public prevue) since 2004. As you may know, they haven't treasured any of them. In fact, maybe I should go and tell them that we should just disincorporate. That might be just what they need to save us from it! :)

I probably will attend. I am interested in how many people show up, and of those how many speak up. It's been pretty slim pickins for a long time now ... although they can pack the house when it comes to election results seating of new members. Gotta love pomp and circumstance.

Maybe I'll see you there?


George, I re-read my note and it did imply that I thought you talked too much. I apologize. That was not my intention and obviously my fingers were moving faster than my mind. I intended to comment on the lack of time allotted.


Twenty minutes pretty much says it all does it not?

Clay. Why, when our town is on the brink, have you not published the financials? Should they not be on the front page?

Have I some how missed it or what? How much revenue? What are the sources? Where does it all go?

Amazing to me that we are on the brink of the most historic 20 minutes in the history of HMB and what is on the front page? -- Web Link

I am willing to bet, that if they were doing this dance up in The City, that the finacials would be published sometime during the week of the meeting in the local paper.

Maybe there are factoids that I don't know that would explain why the finacials haven't been permanently posted and linked on your web site. I know you are doing a tough balancing act. I think you do it well. But when our town council is ready to finally, maybe, make some tough choices, I really think that is would be a valuable service to your readers if that information were to be readily accessible.

Since I am at the moment arrogant enough to suggest how you should do your job, we need a resource on your website where local civic groups can post local volunteer opportunities. Not everybody knows that they have skills that they are willing to share haven't come up with a way to do so. A few listings of volunteer opportunities, (and they are opportunities, not obligations), might provoke help from people who didn't realize that they had something to offer.

I really do think you do a swell job Clay, even though you often redact my best work, which occasionally, I am thankful that you did!

So much for the praise sandwich. Where are those numbers. I am ready to do some math.


20 minutes? Who typed that one up at city hall with a straight face?


"Clay. Why, when our town is on the brink, have you not published the financials? Should they not be on the front page?

Have I some how missed it or what? How much revenue? What are the sources? Where does it all go?"

City has not published them yet. Hiding the cards for now.

A dumb public is an ineffective public.


Mr Bills, you don't owe me an apology, but I appreciate the comment. You didn't say I talk too much - I did, cause I do.

You're right; the lack of time is an issue and that's how I took it, but I know myself well enough to know that if I get up to speak I may not be able to stop! Besides, they've heard my stuff so many times already that if I gave them a theme, they may be able to give me my presentation. :) No offense taken, and I apologize to you for giving you the wrong impression.

I really am curious to see how many people show up, and how many that do show up speak. Typically, members of the public get 3 minutes to speak. When we consider that, it would appear that the Council figures on 6.666 people speaking during the 20 minute timeframe. The fact that there's any timeframe at all is very telling.

To JCU; the only resource that I can think of that might fit is the 2010-2011 Approved City Budget which can be found on the City web site. It used to be prominently placed on the home page....not anymore. Can't even find the word 'Budget' now; BUT, after shuffling around I found this; Web Link

We can no longer find the word Budget anywhere on the home page. When surfing through the tabs at the top...we won't find the word Budget anywhere there either. However. if we click on the 'City Services' tab, one of the 7 you will see across the top of the home page, one of the options in the drop down is "Finance". When we click "Finance", it takes us to "Finance Homepage". There, you will see a description of the responsibilities of the "Financial Services Division"! Sounds like something from the Eisenhower days...maybe an invasion of some sort.

Anyway, that part takes the body of the page. To the left of all that centered warm fuzzy writing, we will see 4 tabs. 3rd one down is "Financial Reports". Hit it and we find Budgets...yes, plural.

Now I feel obligated to advise that the 2010-2011 Budget, the full version and the brief version, is a moving target - a work in progress; but it's a start, and the best we're going to get.

I hope that is helpful.

I have a pot- load of comments regarding the City web site, but I'll spare us all the rambling. Besides, when we see what it takes just to get some financial data from it, I'm sure most get the idea. It speaks for itself. You won't find the word Beachwood anywhere on the site either. 28 more years of paying out $1.126 Million p/yr, and Zippo/Nada/Nothing. It's better than David Copperfield's disappearing act.


Thanks George, I love your description of what it takes to get to the numbers. What was that, 15 clicks or so?

OK lets do some math.

Hmmm. The second page is blank and they were thoughtful enough to tell us that that was intentional. Yep, this sounds like a HMB plan.

Well look at this! We have a city engineer! I wonder if he knows how to Google up play ground best practices and use a yard stick? Most engineers I work with would have been able to hike on down to the kiddie park and to have done the math that we paid some consultant who knows what to do.

Fire the city engineer. If he needs to hire a consultant to tell him that the fireman's pole is a couple inches too close to some head banging obstacle, we don't need him.

Looks like we have a City Financial Planner. Hmmm. Please tell me she isn't the person who somehow misinterpreted our sewer system as being a multi million dollar liquid asset. Either way, we don't need one. Fire her.

Wait a minute. The city manager has an assistant? Really? 180,000 grand a year and an assistant and she didn't have the time to hike on down to the kiddie park with a yard stick and a print out from some result found on Google?

Well folks, I am sure you are noticing a trend on my part. Unless somebody can explain what a City Manager and an assistant spend 80 hours a week doing I say, fire 'em both.

Oh come on. We have a city attorney? Oh please. Fire the dude. What good is a city attorney that gets spanked as badly as ours was over Beachwood? My guess is, that if we had not had professional advice from our own pocket lawyer, we wouldn't be spending a million plus each year for the next 28 years paying for the schooling our city Attorney got at our expense.

OK! I think I just knocked about 500,000.00 off the cost of running our little piece of paradise. Any of you who are fair at math will notice that if we dump all these folks and end our little experiment in city government, we are more than 1/3 of the way to paying for our debt to Chop. I did all that and I haven't made it to the table of contents yet!

Page A3. Wow. We have spent over a million dollars a year more than we take in since 2006 - 2007. Why do we have a financial manger again?

Page A4. Bolshevism I say comrades. Bolshevism! We will spend over 100,000 dollars per year for the next four years to fund the retirements of our city employees. We also will reestablish the negotiated salary reductions, 300,000 dollars, that we now will pay the people who managed us into the dire straights we find ourselves in. How many of you have gotten a raise in the last 3 years? Notice the last sentence of the first paragraph. It states that unless we find more money, we will run a deficit. No mention of budget cuts. Enough said about page A4.

Page A7. Hey we have a mission and a vision statement. I'll leave up to you to decide if we are meeting those goals.

Page A8. Oh come on. Why is there is there a description of Half Moon Bay? Read it for yourself folks. It sounds like Chamber of Commerce Propaganda. Fluff. Did we pay for page A8?

Page A9. A nice flow chart showing who does what around here. If it cost us less than 100 bucks to produce and distribute it, I'll not bitch about it. I have to admit, it really is a pretty flow chart.

Page A12. Now we are getting some meat on this bone. Holy Bean counters Batman the city clerk makes between 6500 and 8500 per month! A police records supervisor, (sounds like a file jockey but you tell me), pulls down between 5000 and 6000 dollars per month! The Parks and Rec Manger? The one who needed a consultant who knew how to use a yard stick and how to Google to figure out that our toddler park was not up to snuff? 6700 to 8400 per month. And it gets worse. Check out A12 for yourself. My head is spinning. I work 70 hours a week at two jobs, own a retail shop on Main Street and contract on the side. Yet the Senior Bean Counter who has a staff, makes more than I do! Dang, I keep picking the wrong profession. Not feeling so good. Enough of A12.

Page A13. Finally, a profit loss statement. Lots of slow, fat, and big as a 5 dollar pumpkin numbers to knock out of the park on page A13. 200,000 thousand for the City Pocket Attorney? Really? 1.5 million or 17% of the budget to administer our little town. Really? That is over 100 dollars form each resident of HMB to the administration. Hmmph.

Page A14. 525,000 for Hwy 1 trail improvements? What?? Is that a reference the Patridge Bike Trail to No Where? What the heck is that? 340,000 for Hwy 1 Median landscaping? What!! What median landscaping? Do they mean the bark that they dumped form 92 to down to the fabulous firehouse with the slice of watermelon out front? 975,000 dollars for an Emergency Operations Center? What!!! It sure must be spiffy. Where is it? What is it for? Can somebody come up with a realistic disaster scenario that a million dollar a year Emergency Center could do anything about? 30,000 for the Johnston House? OK. Somebody will have to explain to me the 72 million, 5 year capital improvements number. I know that it include revenue from other sources but 14.5 million per year in Capital Improvements. Where the heck are these improvements?

Page A16. Another Intentionally Blank Page. Thanks for sharing that with us.

Section B tells us how they make the linguica. Other than some musing about how they should balance the budget, (over 5 years of deficits), there is not much that I can get huffy about in section B.

Page C1. Pie Charts! Everybody likes pie charts. Two slices of the where the money goes stand out. 37% for General government and administration and 12% for planning? What is the plan? What are we planning for? Are we on the plan? I hope not because the plan isn't working.

If the pie charts didn't do it for you, lots of other charts follow for your bamboozlement. Pages C11 and C12 describe the work that we pay our 180,000 a year city manager and her 60,000 per year side kick do. Check out the accomplishments section. George will get a kick out of number one.

"Replaced and updated the City's Website and technology Infrastructure"

Does that refer to burying the budget link 15 clicks deep?

"Provide Accurate and Timely Updates to the city council"

You go girl!

"Resolved Outstanding Human Relations matters"

That sounds spendy.

"Increased visibility of the the City council and the entire city in regional issues"

Does she realize that when we look as foolish as we do, that getting everybody to notice is not something to brag on?

Check out C16. Our pocket attorney steps up an expounds on his role and accomplishments. What is his number one accomplishment?

"Finalized Settlement Of The Last significant land related law suite"

Please tell me that these aren't the same guys who messed up the fracas at Beachwood. Surely he isn't bragging about giving away our money in order to fix the problems caused by his lousy legal advice. Please tell me we aren't that stupid.

That is it for my analysis folks. There are a bunch more pie charts, graphs, and pages left intentionally blank. More bragging about the fine work each and every department has done for us. I've had enough.

I am not sure Ill be able to stomach Linguica ever again. I used to really like Linguica. I have sacrificed enough for the cause.


Asst. to the City Manager makes over $105,000

Position did not exist two years ago.

Needs to be eliminated. Period.


Hey George, I couldn't resist.

Happy days version. --- Web Link

Drinking mans version. --- Web Link

And one for the brothers amongst us Blue Eyed Devils. --- Web Link


Yeah, it's an eye opener, huh?

I'm reading your stuff and two things come to mind; 1) I'm past smiling - you got me cracking up & 2) It's so nice to see someone take the time to do what you're doing. Thank you. I wish everyone in town would do the same.

So that you know, the legal firm that we used (or did they use us?) from the Planning Commission's denial of the Beachwood CDP in 1999 through the trial in SF that brought us the $42 Million Judgment on 11-28-07 was Meyers, Nave. Adan Lindgren was the gentleman that carried most of the weight. Within two years of him getting his teeth into the Beachwood matter he went from associate to partner. His office was in Oakland. We finally fired them at the end of the 2008 fiscal year, 06/30/08.

A funny coincidence - you may remember Desert Hot Springs, a town down south that went bankrupt. I called them a few years ago. I spoke with several City folks, including the City Manager. I asked the CM if they contracted out their legal dept and he said yes. I then asked the name of the firm and he told me Meyers, Nave. He then proceeded to start spelling the name for me. I interrupted and said I was very familiar with the spelling.

The funny coincidence, at least to me is that Meyers, Nave is what one would have to call a full service legal firm. They'll take you into bankruptcy (like us) and bring you out the other side (like DHS). It's all about billable hours.

We still do not have an in-house attorney. We contract out. The attorney we hired to replace Meyers, Nave was Tony Condotti. He was the attorney representing our own CCWD. We took him from the Water Company. He is still our City Attorney today.

Yeah, keep going. Wait till you see the difference between the way you keep your books and the way the City (pretty much all municipalities) keep theirs.


So you know, the top link (Happy Days) you posted can not be viewed because it contained malware. There's a message on the screen. The other two are great. Thanks


UPDATE: for anyone interested, the Agenda for tomorrow evening's Budget meeting has two attachments. The attachments are now available to the public. They are worth looking at and is the advance data that has been discussed here.

You can find it here; Web Link

There are some interesting tidbits there. For example; from the 1st attachment, we see -

- from the City Manager's Office page (page 2 of the report)

- Salary and benefits $335,537

- Supplies and Materials $24,236

- Interim CM - 1/2 year $138,600

- Vehicle, Equip & Risk Mngt $5,024

TOTAL $503,397

It also lists, under Full-Time Equivalent Employees, a total of 1.5 when adding the City Manager (1) and Assistant to the CM (.50)

Did I read that right...Salary and benefits for the City Manager at $335,537?!? Wow


That just can't be right. Somebody help me here.


>>Did I read that right...Salary and benefits for the City Manager at $335,537?!? Wow <<

That beats compensation for the City Manager of San Jose - a city with a population of well over a million people.

Web Link

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You just can't get quality people to work for the government if you don't pay well. I mean, we have to compete with Bell, Ca where they pay the City Administrative Officer Robert Rizzo $787,637 a year.

Of course, Mr Rizzo was probably smart enought not to replant trees in the places where the previous trees had destroyed the sidewalks. And of course Mr Rizzo would probably have been smart enough to measure the equipment in his park for violations without have to have a consultant do it.

And did anyone notice on the San Jose pay schedule the amount of overtime paid to the top level executives in the police and fire department. I wonder if they punch a time card each day. I wonder who approves their overtime.

We are screwed. I guess all we can do is lie back and enjoy it.


You just can't get quality people to work for the government if you don't pay well. I mean, we have to compete with Bell, Ca where they pay the City Administrative Officer Robert Rizzo $787,637 a year.

Of course, Mr Rizzo was probably smart enought not to replant trees in the places where the previous trees had destroyed the sidewalks. And of course Mr Rizzo would probably have been smart enough to measure the equipment in his park for violations without have to have a consultant do it.

And did anyone notice on the San Jose pay schedule the amount of overtime paid to the top level executives in the police and fire department. I wonder if they punch a time card each day. I wonder who approves their overtime.

We are screwed. I guess all we can do is lie back and enjoy it.


First of all, sorry about the duplicate posting above. I don't know what I did wrong.

Upon examination of George's posting on the salary of the City Manager. It appears that salary and benefits are actually for the City Manager and for the one half of the Assistant City Manager.

We are still screwed


The way it is laid out in the report, it is not clear - although you may be right Mr Bills; right about including the 1/2 of the assistant CM and right about "We are still screwed."

That's twice right (maybe)!

According to the 'experts', the ones that announced the City's financial shortfalls and have advised us along the way that we're running a deficit, we're over $1 million out of round for this current fiscal year (2010-2011). Looking at just the page I posted above from the City, we have 1/2 of the shortfall - $503,397.

The obvious question here would be; should the City Manager's Office cost us that much? or, perhaps a better question would be; can we afford to spend $503,397 on a City Manager and the supplements he/she uses when we're $1 million in the hole?

Are we paying the title $503,397 to get twice that in deficit?


>>I don't know what I did wrong.<< ----- Am I glad I don't get things wrong - it must be the omniscience? :)


Naw, "Barnus" it's the Omnipotence.

And George, we are financially beyond "can we afford to spend $503,397 on a City Manager and the supplements he/she uses when we're $1 million in the hole?" and to the point of "we cannot afford".

And there is no one with the testicles in power to do anything about it.


I don't think it is the lack of testicles. I don't think that those in power want to do anything about it.


I was unable to attend tonight's meeting. Did anyone from the TA audience go?

If so, would you share with us what you came away with?


Sorry, but health reasons kept me from the meeting as well. From the information George posted yesterday, I gleaned the following information:

Total employees 28.05 (Park and Rec figure is wrong, but I corrected)

Total Salaries and Benefits 4,649,536

Average per employee $165,758.89

Can you imagine any small business in the Bay area with that kind of a payroll burden. They would be in the same shape as the City-bankrupt. And what would happen if that small business said to their customers "please, we are in bad shape, give us some more money"?

You have a half million dollar problem- get rid of 3 people

You have a million dollar problem - get rid of 6 people

Or else have a community meeting to pretend you are listening and avoid doing anything.


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