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BIG Wave Reserves The Right To Discriminate

The following excerpt is from the Big Wave Facilities Plan Draft 2:

2.0 Goals and Objectives

2.1. Privately Funded Wellness Center

In allowing a Board of Directors to select residents based on their ability to fit within the specific nature of the Big Wave community, Big Wave can be more flexible and adaptable than public housing. Big Wave intends to select individuals regardless of their economic and racial backgrounds but reserves the right to discriminate based on the type of services available as well as the personalities and abilities of the applicants.


Comments

1.2.7.1 Financial Planning

The CFO or the resident’s appointed financial aide will assist the residents in handling checking, savings, and cash flow accounts. The residents are responsible for the cost of their services and mortgage. The CFO or their appointed financial aide will assist in the assembly of Big Wave revenue, State and Federal funds, and private donations to defer the living costs. The remainder of the funds not covered by the grants and subsidies will be the responsibility of the resident. It will be a *goal* of Big Wave to cover most of the residential costs for a basic unit and basic level of services. Big Wave will offer a number of employment opportunities for its residents, allowing them to make their own spending money. Money and payments will be managed by the Financial Advisor to protect SSI and minimize tax payments.


Thank you!


Table 3.3: Economic Analyses

The developers intend to donate the $6,250,000 the Wellness Center needs *if* they can realize a reasonable return on investment on the sale or lease of the Office Park.

The last entry on Table 3.3, entitled “Return on Investment,” shows the anticipated return on investment after all costs, including the $6,250,000 donation to the Wellness Center.

A 75,000 square foot Office Park would generate a loss of nearly $18,000,000. A 150,000 square foot Office Park would generate a loss of $1,450,000.

The 225,000 square foot Office Park would generate a positive return of $6,290,000.


"Our house is a very, very, small, house with two cats in the yard ... I think you know the rest!


how can you not help the children. what kind of people do not want to help the unfortunate? our community needs to help each other in bad times. big wave is a wonderful project, give it a chance. how can you judge it before the details are known? how?


To be eligible, you have to be a DD adult. Why does this surprise you? It is pretty clear that is not a State Institution and therefore is limited in what it can provide by the resources available. There is a set of services that they are going to provide and if you need more than those services, then this is not the place for you. They are being clear up front how the costs are going to be handled. Do you think this approach is unique?


Is there an outdoor sports complex for these DDs to do Special Olympics and daily sports activities?

Or did the concerned parents at Big Wave Project choose to double their Business Office Park instead and make way for tons of concrete parking spaces?

I don't see any compassion here?


12.1 Airport Noise

The proposed project is located over 500 feet from the center of Runway 30. The office park is located approximately 600 feet south west of the south end of Runway 30. The closest residential unit is located approximately 900 feet south west of the south end of Runway 30. All occupied structures are located outside the 500 foot from runway centerline approach zone for runway 30.

Big Wave will require that all residents of both the Wellness Center and Office Park sign a release acknowledging the proximity of the airport to their property and acknowledging that airport noise will at a minimum approach the background threshold of the study and acknowledging that future growth of the airport will increase the background noise.

All residents will also be required to sign a release preventing claims against the airport and its operations resulting in noise. We will work with the County to establish County conditions of approval and property deed restrictions if necessary.


They can come over to the "Outdoor Sports Complex" over off 92 as soon as it gets build. Why not add a pool, maybe a spa, or any number of things to make it totally absurdly costly. It is what it is. There will always be trade-offs and this will not fulfill the needs or wants of everyone. But of those people that choose to live there, it might be the best place they can live.


Airport Noise.

They must of been reading the TalkAbout posts from people who live near the airport and complain about the airport noise. Let's see, it is near an airport, think there will be any noise from planes?


What is more costly ... an outdoor sports complex (grass, a track, etc...) or a Ginourmous Office Complex with poured concrete ...$$$?

A Pool is in the plan which was added after 7/25/07 by the way!


a point to consider about airport noise:

"Children with autism essentially have sound amplifiers on their ears. Their ears pick up every sound in the environment and intensify it."


Is it OK for the developer & the county to require people with autism to sign a release preventing them from making complaints about loud noise when it's a well documented problem for DD people?


Why not an outdoor Sports Complex onsite?

Especially if the residents and other outside DDs are welcome to partake in all of the amentities of the CDC and Wellness Center?

I mean ... that was your sell right?

Are you saying that the business revenues generated from the Office and Business Park take presidence over the importance of daily exercise of your loved ones?

So now we know that the concerned parents of Big Waste don't really care about their children ... rather than the big dollar!

That they need to be shuffled daily across HYW 92 in order to do so?

Thank god for Big Waste!


Another excerpt is from the Big Wave Facilities Plan Draft 2:

2.0 *Goals* and Objectives

2.1. Privately Funded Wellness Center

Private funding will allow the residents to own their own homes and avoid being subject to the ever-changing requirements and regulations placed on publicly funded homes.

Although residents living at the Wellness Center may receive public funding individually, it is a project *goal* that the land, design, construction and future funding for the Wellness Center operations be privately funded by the developer, by other private party donations, and through revenue generated in the adjacent Office Park.


Would the State Dept. of Social Services provide health and safty licensing?


There is an indoor pool and basket ball courts in the project. Have you looked at the plans?


"There is an indoor pool and basket ball courts in the project. Have you looked at the plans?"

Prisons have basketball courts too. I think Dr. Do Good was referring to things like parks, fields... you know, green space. Having looked a the plans, it seems like office park hell - pave everything over and call it a day.


"like parks, fields you know green space" Where are the public basketball courts and public indoor pool? They don't exist now. We have tons of open space but we can't even put a toilet at the playground that exists today. An outdoor sports complex would be nice, but what is everyone else on the coast doing for exercise since there isn't one now?. The project is what it is.

The simple fact is the DD center would not exist if not for the support of the office park. If you want financial support from the office complex, then it needs to be successful. If you don't like that reality, then why not build a publicly funded facility with all the features that you want. Good luck with that.


"Where are the public basketball courts and public indoor pool? They don't exist now."

Exactly! And they wouldn't exist under Big Waste either. Remember, this is a private, members only affair.

The public blight, however, would be for everyone to enjoy.


The Big Wave Developers prefer privately funding the Wellness Center because they are interested in buildlding a large and profitable office park first and a well designed facility for the developmentally disabled second.

The developer would prefer to avoid federal regulations or state licensing. If the developer funds privately they are not required to meet federal/state health and safety requirements. That saves the developer money and requires less staff.


Peck patted himself on the back at least 20 times (but who is counting or taking credit?) while explaining to The Big Wave parents how fortunate their kids are to have people like himself and Steve Barber.

And, that if it wasn't for their HUGE generosity of donating their land that the Wellness Center could not become a an affordable reality.

Can you say sucker punched 20 times!


"how can you not help the children. what kind of people do not want to help the unfortunate?"

How can you possibly think this commercial development is about the "children" or anyone who is "unfortunate"? This is to make more monety for the fortunate (emphasis on the "fortune" part of that word) at the expense of nearby communities, those who value the ambience of the midcoast, and drivers.


To Wake-Up's point:

"This is to make more money for the fortunate (emphasis on the "fortune" part of that word) at the expense of nearby communities, those who value the ambiance of the midcoast, and drivers."

Yes, and it works like this:

Step 1: Buy land not zoned residential (such as RM or M1) cheap. 20 acres for $2 million to be precise.

Step 2: Come up with a cover story ("it is for the children" works best).

Step 3: Propose a huge commercial venue such as 225,000 sq/ft office buildings in order to support the "children" or DDs or whatnot.

Step 4: Build the 4 mega buildings and "find out" that you cannot rent commercial space (see Harbor village)

Step 5: Be forced to re-purpose offices into condominiums (see page 29 of Big Waste Plan). Sell condos for a cool $200 millions. Everyone is happy, especially the coastsiders with 2,000 extra cars, fewer water connections, and an instant condo city amidst a formerly great open space with Mavericks.

Who said you can't make money of people's naivety?


The thinking and suspicion which raises its ugly head about this project is really hateful. JOE THE PLUMBER sort of speaks for the entire community in his attack on a project which already has made its plans known.

I do not see condominiums (Like this coast doesn't have enough)

Since they are independently funded and have revealed their sources, where does it hit anyone in the pocketbook?

Since they have so much money, or could raise it, why not make a deal to put up that movie theater which never has been built...

Negotiate to put up a quadriplex and a parking lot and I'd bet you would let it go through in a second and not even say "thanks".

GREED has brought down this area.....why not try doing backing a project which may not be a scam.

As IF you are worried about the traffic on Airport Rd. Once almost any car hits Marine the pedal hits the metal and I have never seen ONE of those fancy sheriff's cars making money for almost every speeding car on that road. This is a preposterously selfish, and indulgent area. Lastly, there is no money to be made for the realtors who cannot wait for the day it is open for development.


"Negotiate to put up a quadriplex and a parking lot and I'd bet you would let it go through in a second and not even say "thanks."

Ummm, how about no? If that's what I was looking for, I would have moved to Daly City or Colma.

I came for the spectacular sunsets, pristine beaches, marine reserve, hiking trails, and small coastal town charm - but I suppose none of that matters to you, right? Can't get in the way of "progress", right?


City of NJ, kindly move to Daly City or San Mateo. Lots of multiplexes, good fun!!! Find your joy, there are shopping malls, car dealerships, and a freeway to joy ride.

Good bye and don't let the door hit you on the way out:-)


There was a great opinion piece in today's Review accurately describing Big Wave supporters' bully tactics at last months' MCC meeting. A must read.

"Big Wave Developer Presents Troubling Signs to Wary Public"

---> Web Link


Well said, Aimee Luthringer .

Web Link


Aimee,

Surf-on!

Jeff Peck is a greedy plagiarist at best!

After some research, Jeff Peck of Washington DC is a lobbyist.


>>After some research, Jeff Peck of Washington DC is a lobbyist.<<

Not the same Jeff Peck!

Here our Jeff Peck's bio:

Mr. Peck's entrepreneurial and technological experience

covers many diverse areas. In 1979, he partnered in a

business that led to his position as CEO of Valoff and Peck

Coatings, a large commercial specialty contractor in the San

Francisco Bay Area. In 1986, Mr. Peck formed Maxcell

Communications, a cellular telephone company in the

Medford-Coos Bay Oregon area. In 1990, he sold Maxcell to

TDS (parent of US Cellular). He then began building

microwave video and data systems in Texas and Alaska. In

Texas, he developed and later sold Emerald Enterprises Video

Systems. He is still involved as advisor to Alaska Wireless

Cable. Mr. Peck left his position as CEO of Valoff and Peck

Coatings to co-found Cutthroat Communications in September

2000. Mr. Peck led Cutthroat Communications as CEO for

nearly two years, before handing it off to Jeffrey Marlow.

(Cutthroat communications produced the Big Wave Draft Facilities Report, as far as I can tell. At least their name is on it.)

--Darin


"A CONCERNED RESIDENT" is cursed by the agony of the feat or her fantasies of the joy of tide pools, sunsets every 6 months,prisitine beaches(?filthy water and cold)hiking trails(?)--to see the doom and gloom and speedy JOE>--and "small town charm"?Are you sure you aren't Stevie Wonder?

I come here to visit my young grandma and ask her to move to one of my three houses..Sydney OZ, Camargue France, Majorca,Sp....I am in my 20's,a self made millionaire before 19,and spend 6 months in Africa building housing,hospitals,airfields in 9 countries,transporting endangered people in rented old military planes,recruiting doctors from the states to do internship,bring smallpox, AIDS and malaria vaccines and STILL 20,000 children die a day.I REALLY enjoy the sunsets and really clean beaches, and spend 2 months in tie raising money from billionaires (I give half of my income for food and drugs and supplies)have seven children, three wives (one in Paris who comes with me three months and raises in France for the children and their dying mothers)...After being here for a day, I read this Talkabout, and was stunned by the selfishness and the doubting people who think all money should go to Katrina.How unkindly you all treat each other and the time wasted not doing anything about it. I see NO varied cultures.NO blacks.Just obese people and trucks.Children sitting on steps of markets and a once charming town just a mess.I am going to have my grandma out of here since her best friend died and put her to work as a nurse which she loved doing. She agreed that this is not a place for her and her few friends are selfish..You are exactly where you all want to be..I would open a youth center but have NO TRUST for the bunch of you...Even NY is less greedy and selfish than here.


" Mr. Peck led Cutthroat Communications as CEO....Cutthroat communications produced the Big Wave Draft Facilities Report."

Just perfect. Now why would he pick that name for his company? Is he proud of using ruthless bully tactics?


Jeff Peck Patents, LOS ALTOS, CA US

1. 20080316946 System and method for providing virtual multiple lines in a communications system 12-25-2008

2. 20080298348 System and method for providing audio cues in operation of a VoIP service 12-04-2008

3. 20080225749 Auto-configuration of a network device - Exemplary systems and methods for auto-configuring a network device are provided 09-18-2008

I am assume that this is Jeff Peck of El Granada?

It appears that this is a much larger project at hand as far as what is at stake for Mr. Peck and Mr. Barber.

I read the 100 page design layout which was evasive. Has the 2000+ page Proposal been released to the public?


City of No Joy,

I just watched one of my favorite movies "What About Bob?"

Maybe you can spring for some T-shirts; "I'm a local DON'T HASSLE ME!!!"


People, let's keep off personal thingies like Jeff Pack's patents (how are they relevant)? This just will give our valiant Clay a reason to shot down this thread.

Let's focus on the merits of the project and concerns about issues.

And there's no need for your background information (19-year old millionaire) unless it is relevant to qualify you as an expert.

- Is this the right project for the location?

- Are the developers altruistic or just out to make a buck?

- Will the proposed project ruin view corridors, traffic, water issues?

- Does the project make financial (or other) sense?


Joe,

Has the 2000+ page Proposal been released to the public?


>>Has the 2000+ page Proposal been released to the public?<<

No. I've not seen it in any form. Not even sure it really exists.

--Darin


If "City of No Joy" had any credibility before, he completely lost it when he displayed his supreme arrogance when mentioning his fortune, good deeds,and 3 WIVES. Yes, without haste, please LEAVE our "obese, no culture, truck-sitting" selves to our beloved coastal beaches, which you describe as being "filthy and cold", but to our eyes are beautiful. Spread your message of cheer elsewhere. We'll be fine.


"News, President’s Message November 17, 2008"

"Big Wave has accomplished many things during the last year. We have completely redesigned the project." (Fascinating, what a coincidence?)

We have completed a 2,000+ page Facilities Plan describing in detail our new design and how the structure of the Coop (Wellness Center) will work.

Under the brilliant direction of Big Wave engineer Scott Holmes and with the tireless assistance of Madeleine Maguire, Big Wave now has a new design (Another coincidence?)that includes the following:

Increased living quarters for residents and staff (sounds familiar?)

A modular residential design that will reduce construction costs 40% (sounds familiar?)

An enlarged Community Center with a swimming pool, exercise facilities and changing rooms (sounds familiar?)

Additional commercial space to increase revenues (sounds familiar?)

Increased opportunity for employment (sounds familiar)

A summary outline of how our community will work

LEED certified design and construction of all buildings and site elements (sounds familiar?).

Increased environmental sustainability (sounds familiar?) with the addition of nine acres of wetland restoration, water and waste recycling facilities (sounds familiar?), enlarged alternative energy producing systems and an increase in high functioning farm land (sounds familiar?) adjacent to the development for the direct benefit of the co-op."

Revolutionary (October 2007? That date seems to ring a bell!)?


Why not simply close the airport and use that space for all kinds of useful, productive activities that would benefit the coastside. The airport is useful only to hobbyist pilots, to the public at large, it is an expensive, useless annoyance.


"Why not simply close the airport and use that space for all kinds of useful, productive activities that would benefit the coastside."

Because City of No Joy needs the additional housing Big Waste will be providing for his wives and the military planes that run medicine and bars of gold for him fly out of there.


Unfortunately, if the airport closes, you will have 25 Jeff Pecks and 50 Mike McCrackens banging on the door to develop:

- Mega Malls

- Amusement Parks

- Drag Racing with Disco Bar

- Mini City with 30,000 residents (all profits to the disadvantaged- wink*wink*)

- CinePlex with WallMart (or a WallMart with CinePlex - optional).

So, let's live with the lesser evil (sight).


Our Homeowner's Association at Pillar Ridge has been discussing this one. I don't think that people who are against the Big Wave project are uncaring about the disabled or "selfish" (as that rich guy with 3 wives (?)mentioned). From what we have seen of Big Wave, it is not being placed in the best setting. There are also real concerns about traffic, water & sewage issues. There will already be problems in case of earthquake and tsunami, in getting access out of the area. Why add to it?

My brother is autistic, and thrives at Sonoma D.C., where he gets the best of care, because it is a large community with public and private backing. That is also a community that the disabled can be part of, with adequate medical and other facilities in the town, that we just don't have out here(our closest real hospital is located in Daly City).

The airport would be our only option in case of road blockages/emergencies. As it is, we on the coast and at Pillar Ridge are isolated in many ways, but that is our choice. However, the disabled often have no choice or voice in the matter. In any event, I can see this project going through, because there is money behind it, and dollars more often than not override all else.


Deb-

Just because Peck and Barber have BIG bucks doesn't mean they should be allowed to rollover your community. Get organized it's going to be a long ride.


Can't agree more: we must get organized if we are to defeat this monstrosity with big bucks developers pushing it.

Case in point: they have their own PR firm AND a communication director!


Joe, Darin,

Who are their partners other than Hope Services and C-PALS?

Who will be doing Research & Development and what is their focus?

Which Non-profit Housing Corporation(s)are backing them?

Who are the potential occupants of the Office Park?

Who are their financial backers?


>>Joe, Darin,

Who are their partners other than Hope Services and C-PALS?

Who will be doing Research & Development and what is their focus?

Which Non-profit Housing Corporation(s)are backing them?

Who are the potential occupants of the Office Park?

Who are their financial backers?<<

Those questions are never focused upon--evasive answers when asked. See the recent video of the MCC meeting.

--Darin


Who has asked for their Board Meeting Notes? All 501(c)3's have to take detailed notes of their meetings?

"The issue that you address as your main concern is how the units will be maintained as disabled housing. The Wellness Center (a 501c3 non-profit organization) will be a cooperative living environment.

Residents will own shares in the co-op. This arrangement will allow departing residents to sell the shares that bought them their home while leaving the choice of the replacement resident to the Wellness Center Board of Directors with council from the Parent's Advisory Board. This will ensure that the Wellness Center continues to serve the developmentally disabled in perpetuity."

No, this is to ensure that Jeff Peck and Big Wave Parents reserve the rights to have full control of who they choose to live there!

What are the other 200 local families with DD children going to do?


"All 501(c)(3) have to take detailed notes of their meeting?"

Was that a question? The answer is no.

Even if they have them, you do not get to see them. Poor anonymous souls.

This was a planning meeting at a local County advisory board for something the advisory board has absolutely no jurisdiction over and the project is not even close to getting into serious planning stages with the County - you guys are acting like IRS agents. None of this truly is your business. Get real.


Brian,

We will "get real" - don't you worry for a moment.

This will be no cakewalk for your developer/lawyer pals...


Brian,

This is not a compassionate project for inclusion for the DDs, this is all about the all-mighty buck. But, I am sure you know that already.

THIS IS ABOUT EXCLUSION!

I bet you can't wait to reserve your Office Condo so you won't have to commute over the hill to AeroCentury Corp!

Ahhhh ... a Corporate Suite overlooking the ocean on the third floor. I am sure your partners will be impressed!

No ??????????????


Ahhhh, the aroma of fine cigars and aged scotch? I'm sure the DDs will appreciate that?


CoN Joy, DUDE!, they let you out! Fire up the jet and join us at the Kamchatka retreat this weekend. We'll do vodka pops, lather up with bear grease, and hit the hot springs with the local fatties. Bring your gram. She'll squeal for the Asian Ruskies. The blue-greens in Tasmania are going absolutely nuts, the next bio-fuel, man, juice for the jet, your next million, enough for another frau squeezing out more little Joys at your compound. You're in for whatever you want. Unreal! They let you out!


To clarify two previous posts above made by both Dr. Do-Good and Darin, Hope Services has NOT taken a position pro or con, regarding the Big Wave Project. Their stated position is neutral(though there may be employees, both current and former, who personally support the project). You can call the organization's office either in HMB or San Jose to verify this.


>>Hope Services has NOT taken a position pro or con, regarding the Big Wave Project.<<

Thank you, Susan. Should we expect Hope Services to take a position in the future--or do they not normally support/oppose projects in general?

Thanks,

--Darin


I finally found the time to watch Darin's video of the Feb 11th MCC meeting (thank you for recording this). Though the majority of attendees at that meeting supported the project, I would have to know more than the information that Peck provided (or didn't provide) to reassure me that our quality of life here on Airport Road will not be compromised by the Big Wave project. Water, sewage and traffic issues are not trivial matters, even in light of the proposed creation of jobs and homes.


Agnew Alum,

Funny how a well-versed Forbes Corporate Exec can take on so many personalities in order to get his way by bullying and forcing another thread to be squashed?

Make sure that Zack duplicates your favorite putting green from Pebble Beach located outside your back door and cement paths from the airport are wide enough to equip your customized golf cart too!

It was Big Wave Project that announced Hope Services as their provider of services.


They don't support/oppose projects in general. They prefer to stay focused on assisting the participants in their programs on a more personal level.


Susan,

Lorrie Toohey of all people understands my fight for my son and others with Special Needs.

I met Lorrie at a Non-profit workshop in Sacramento. She has been sent numerous emails in regards to my battles of plagiarism with "On Greener Grass" which involved the CEO and Co-founder, Peter Meehan of Newman's Own Organics.

They also claimed to have the support of their local Regional Center (Golden Gate) and their local Housing Coalition. After bringing to their attention that they would stand to make a cool $5 million at the expense of families struggling with autism ... they lost their support.

Peter also claimed to not know anything about my Copyright Proposals and after two months of back and forth battles, Peter stated "After I am done nickel and dimming you and after my broker gets done with you ... you will be broke and penniless?"

I asked Peter if he realized who he was speaking with, a mother trying to make a difference in the lives of people with disabilities but he could care less? I sensed betrayal on his part and I could not sleep. So, the next day I left him a message and stated, "Peter, I know that you have my two proposals that I sent you two months ago and if I do not have them on my desk within the next 24-hours, I will quote you word-for-word in a book that I am writing entitled, "The Autism Giving Tree; The Untold Story of Politics and Greed Within The Autism Community."

Guess what ... my two proposals were on my desk within 24-hours and Newman's couldn't be more apologetic.

I am sharing this story because it is about people who wreak greed instead of what is best for ALL people with disabilities.

And that again is why this fight is so very, very important. Not only to my son but to the countless families with Special Needs children who come from low-income but dedicated parents like myself.


I need to clarify my quote; Peter stated, "Have ever Organic Farmed before? And, I stated "No, but farming has been proven to be very therapuetic to many people with disabilities."

That is when he followed through with his statement from above.

Lorrie Toohey is a Development Specialist with Hope Services in San Jose, CA.


Kim I'm not clear what your point is with respect to Hope Services not taking a position one way or the other on this project.


Susan,

I am not expecting you to. Ask Lorrie and she will share with you my battles.

My point is "This should not be about helping the rich or the politically connected ... this is about inclusion of ALL people with Developmental Disabilities.

And, if we choose to help only those with money, power, and political connections, where will low-to-medium income families be?

How can the government stand by and think that this favortism is acceptable?

Because Jeff Peck and Steve Barber donated the land and have offered to build, that is why. Like the Regional Centers say ... if you build it, we will come!

But, what about the low-to-middle-income families who didn't have the money or connections but invisioned the dream, the concepts, and the ideas because we are dedicated parents.

Do we deserve to have that stripped away and to not be included?


"Make sure that Zack duplicates your favorite putting green from Pebble Beach located outside your back door and cement paths from the airport are wide enough to equip your customized golf cart too!"

Putting greens and cement cart paths are so Ocean Colony/Ritz. (And what a building for a commercial office scamapalooza if the Ritz goes under!) My buddy City of No Joy and I are more into seeing who can down the most scorpion shooters in Tangiers. We leave the wives home in Dubai.


One of the developers lives on a putting green in Ocean Colony. Are you trying to point out the absurdity of the gated community mentality?


Brian,

Grow up and move to Dubai!


The only absurdity is imagining City of No Joy and I have anything rational to say about whatever that proposed development on Airport Road is supposed to be.

Still can't believe they let him out. The stories I could tell you about that guy. Three wives and seven children doesn't begin to cover it.


Gated communities create ‘us and them’ mentality. It's not surprising a gated community dweller is backing the BIG Wave development.

Social Segregation in Golden-Ghettos: Web Link


Abuse & Vulnerability Web Link

Abuse is a significant issue for people with developmental disabilities, and as a group they are regarded as vulnerable people in most jurisdictions. Common types of abuse include:

Physical abuse (withholding food, hitting, punching, pushing, etc.)

Neglect (withholding help when required, e.g., assistance with personal hygiene)

Sexual abuse

Psychological or emotional abuse (verbal abuse, shaming and belittling)

Constraint and restrictive practices (turning off an electric wheelchair so a person cannot move)

Financial abuse (charging unnecessary fees, holding onto pensions, wages, etc.)

Legal or civil abuse (restricted access to services)

Systemic abuse (denied access to an appropriate service due to perceived support needs)

Passive neglect (a caregiver’s failure to provide adequate food, shelter)

Lack of education, lack of self-esteem and self-advocacy skills, lack of understanding of social norms and appropriate behaviour and communication difficulties are strong contributing factors to the high incidence of abuse among this population.

In addition to abuse from people in positions of power, peer abuse is recognised as a significant, if misunderstood, problem. Rates of criminal offending among people with developmental disabilities are also disproportionately high, and it is widely acknowledged that criminal justice systems throughout the world are ill-equipped for the needs of people with developmental disabilities (as both perpetrators and victims of crime)[7][8][9].


Residential Accommodation Web Link

Some people with developmental disabilities live in residential accommodation (also known as group homes) with other people with similar assessed needs. These homes are usually staffed around the clock, and usually house between 3 and 15 residents.

The prevalence of this type of support is gradually decreasing, however, as residential accommodation is replaced by at-home and community support, which can offer increased choice and self-determination for individuals. Some U.S. states still provide institutional care, such as the Texas State Schools.


Segregation of People with Developmental Disabilities Web Link

The segregation of people with developmental disabilities wasn't widely questioned by academics or policy-makers until the 1969 publication of Wolf Wolfensberger's seminal work "The Origin and Nature of Our Institutional Models",[12] drawing on some of the ideas proposed by SG Howe a hundred years earlier. This book posited that society characterises people with disabilities as deviant, sub-human and burdens of charity, resulting in the adoption of that 'deviant' role. Wolfensberger argued that this dehumanisation, and the segregated institutions that result from it, ignored the potential productive contributions that all people can make to society. He pushed for a shift in policy and practice that recognised the human needs of "retardates" and provided the same basic human rights as for the rest of the population.

The publication of this book may be regarded as the first move towards the widespread adoption of the social model of disability in regard to these types of disabilities, and was the impetus for the development of government strategies for desegregation. Successful lawsuits against governments and an increasing awareness of human rights and self-advocacy also contributed to this process, resulting in the passing in the US of the Civil Rights of Institutionalized Persons Act in 1980.


Brian, Absuridy, Agnew Alum, City of No Joy, What are your real motives, Problem is ...

"Don't they pay you well for the things that you do? "Well you know, I can't complain when the checks come through!"


Brian,

Is this true?

How do the parents of the NCHL expect you to be a role model for our children when you act this way?


Aimee Luthringer's take in this weeks' Review (Opinion section)about the behavior of Jeff Pack and many Big Wave supporters at the Feb 11 MCC meeting gave the best description that I have read of that meeting (which she attended). She described so accurately what I viewed in Darin Boville's video. At one point it seemed to me when the heckling started that I was watching the Jerry Springer show. If I am going to support a project, those trying to sell it have to be well informed about it - and civilized. Judging by what I saw, it is obvious that, at least at that meeting, some of those Big Wave backers were lacking in both objectives.


Deb, to make matters worse, it was not the innocently bussed-in supporters with the pre-printed stickers who did not behave, it was the developer (Jeff Pack) and mainly his lawyer (Mike McCracken) who could not behave and engaged in heckling!!!

With lawyers like this how can they possibly go wrong:-)


What did Brian do? Point out that your were incorrect in your "demand" for meeting notes? Dr. Do-good-not wants to know what the other 200 families with DD children are going to do if they can't get into the 50 spots proposed here. I don't know, but the 50 will out there looking also according to his plans. There are no facilities on the coast today and this is the only one proposed. What is his alternative?


Elected officials supporting profit driven office park development projects to fund residential adult care for people with developmental disabilities is shameful and shows a complete lack of accountability, understanding, advocacy and protection for people with developmental disabilities.

The process of researching other options/alternatives/solutions is something the County BOS and City of Half Moon Bay should be working on now! Obviously the effected families are in serious need of solutions. Our elected officials are not adequately addressing the needs for residential adult care on the Coastside and hoping a developer will solve problems that require government oversight to insure health and safety.


The financial backers of Big Wave Project cannot use tax exempt donations or grant monies in order to build the Office Park because the Office Park and Businesses fall under a for-profit status.

Only funds going towards the Wellness Center due to it being the only business with a 501(c)3 status can be used as a tax write-off, donation, or grant money. So why is Jeff Peck looking for Grant Writers or seeking Grant Money?

This contradicts Big Wave's statement that the monies generated from the for-profit Office Park and Businesses will in turn be the financial vehicle for supporting the Wellness Center?

Which again is Mr. Peck's and Big Wave's sell to the public in order to get the Office Condominiums, Storage Units, and other Store Fronts Built?

I am assuming that every business within the Wellness Center (Restuarant/Deli, Gym, Store Fronts) also have to fall under the Non-Profit status?

How do the DDs become Business Owners and make profits that go back into their own pockets if the Wellness Center and all of its related Businesses have to carry a Non-profit status?


"Brian, Absuridy, Agnew Alum, City of No Joy, What are your real motives, Problem is ..."

"Don't they pay you well for the things that you do? "Well you know, I can't complain when the checks come through!"

"Dr. Do-good, a resident of Moss Beach, 16 hours ago"

You are way off on your guesses at identity and motivations. This only detracts from your credibility in other messages with more pointed information and questions.


Agnew Alum, City of No Joy, Brian, Absuridy, Problem is...

Does it really matter?

None of you have anything of relevence to state. You just want to spew and force threads to be closed.

Everytime the locals makes progress, you try in step in and create chaos.

I am also a good listener!


Oh- so now you think it's a good idea for the local government to lead the charge for housing for disabled.That would be nice. With what funds?

Where was the hue and cry for affordable housing for the disabled before the MCC meeting. No one cared except the parents. We're doing our best to make sure our kids have a safe place to live. They will not be isolated- they will be out every day in the community, doing what they are doing now, which is a very active lifestyle. They need a safe place to come home at night, with protections built into the environment and the ethos of the caregivers being one of positive support. From what I have read, this community has no clue how vulnerable these kids are. There is a great deal of hate in this community. No wonder we want to protect our kids.

As for Kim- I thought you were accusing Jeff of plagiarism. Now you're mad because you can't get in? And you live in Sacramento? And no one knows you? Give me a break.


I have just completed reading all the comments in this thread. I have to say that the characterizations by some, concerning the principals in this project are inaccurate. They are not big-bucks people, but rather hard-working individuals with an idea that the NIMBYs find distastful, because someone might make money from it.

I would also say that the references to the supporters of Big Wave at the MCC meeting are false, also. I was at the meeting, and the first trouble I witnessed, was Jeff Peck's outburst to a speaker who was abusive in her comments, going on and on about what a "shameful" project it was, and how they were trying to isolate the children and hide them from the public view, etc. He didn't deserve to be the target of such a slanderous and personal attack. It was extremely unprofessional, to say the least.

I didn't hear any heckling from the crowd of supporters nor any snide comments. That's not to say that there were none, as I was seated at the very back of a crowded room. I did make a comment to my seat-mate, which might have been heard by some opponents within five or six feet of me. When the afore-mentioned speaker finished her abusive speech, I said to the wife of one of the principals, "Aren't you ashamed of yourself".


That's the beauty of video, Jerry. You can try to spin it however you want after the fact, but we all saw and heard what we all saw and heard courtesy of Darin and MCTV.


Prunella,

Does it matter where I live and yes, I am accusing Jeff Peck & Big Wave Project of Plagiarism which I notified every member following the 6-8-08 Unveil.

I did not share my ideas, vision, and concepts to only aid the chosen few ... my dream is to help ALL people with disabilities.

You, Jeff Peck, the Big Wave Project, C-PALS, and any member of the City Council, The Mayor, San Mateo, The Golden Gate Regional Center would be doing the community an injustice to allow a Private Country Club Model and to give Jeff Peck the rights to control who is worthy and who is not.

And, on top of that to take monies of a so-called-sustainable project and put that back into any backers pockets.

My concept was built on strong morals, ethics, and principles in order to build a Model that gives back to those who are unable to aquire six-figure incomes due to their disability.

And, to take the profits generated to serve their entire community helping ALL with disabilities not those that Jeff Peck, Big Wave, and C-PALS feel that are deserving.

When you have dedicated your time for 36-years to help the less fortunate and continue to do so with no strings attached, I will be happy to listen to you or anyone else who has merit in this fight.

Had Jeff Peck not been so evasive and continues to do so, I would have never offered my time, my vision, my ideas, and my concepts to a group that is obviously very self-serving!

I also have a blog: www.falanow.blogspot.com that reaches out to people in the community with disabilities in order to help them. With all of your members who claim to be experts ... why are you not giving back by helping your community.

That's right ... you are too busy taking!


To Concerned Resident.

I was merely reporting what I saw and heard at the meeting. I have not seen the video, so I can't comment on what it might or might not have shown. But this little digression is just a ploy by those who prefer to attack the character of anyone who thinks differently than they do, rather than sticking to the central issue. Try it. You might learn something.


"But this little digression is just a ploy by those who prefer to attack the character of anyone who thinks differently than they do, rather than sticking to the central issue.Try it. You might learn something. "

Bing, Jerry! I'm so glad you posted this.

In fact, the outburst we saw from the audience - specifically, Mike McCracken shouting down a speaker at a public meeting with his personal attacks - is EXACTLY what you are describing when you talk about attacking character and not focusing on the issues, or even extending the common courtesy of letting other people share their opposing views on the subject.

Jeff Peck's telling members of the community that the financial integrity of the project - something that is very much a central issue - is none of their business is also an eye opener.

In sum total, the behavior of the Big Waste constituents captured on video at the MCC meeting paints an accurate, if not very flattering, picture of how this group chooses to engage the community.

But don't take it from me - watch the video. You might learn something.


To add to Concerned comments:

What kind of a lawyer would behave this badly? Mike McCracken, that's who.

People who wanted to speak had a perfect opportunity to do so, by filling out a speaker slip.To JUMP UP and yell at a speaker in the middle of her 2 minute remarks would be abysmal from anyone, BUT FROM A LAWYER? What happened to the courtroom manners?

This heckling speaks volumes of the character of this and other proponents of the project....


Hi Jerry,

Here is a link to the video of the MCC meeting on February 11:

Web Link

That way, you can see how it looks to those of us who weren't there - and even to some who were, including Aimee Luthringer, whose opinion was in the Review 2 weeks ago. Big Wave supporters were out in force, clearly in the majority. I recognized a few of them, and like them personally. But it was pretty obvious that when anyone questioned the plan or raised valid concerns, they were bullied, heckled or shouted down. Check out the video - let us know if it is inaccurate. In any event, from what I have seen, read and heard of the Big Wave project, it has a long way to go before it gets complete support from the community - not that Peck or McCracken really care if it does, one way or another, apparently.


Oh boy, Deb.

Your quote:

"But it was pretty obvious that when anyone questioned the plan or raised valid concerns, they were bullied, heckled or shouted down."

In two hours and 17 minutes of tape, there were three events that can be called contentuous. The first was when the "doctor" raised Jeff Peck's hackles by crying "shameful" and "marginalizing", for separating the DD children from the rest of the community. This caused Peck to respond, "Separate them from you.". The woman called him inappropriate. That's when someone else said to her, "You are the one who is inappropriate.", and I would have to agree.

The other two times concerned a question about "return on investment". This questioner didn't make himself clear about what he wanted to know and Peck finally declined to answer the question. In a question following that one, a man seemed to take the same question in a little different direction, asking, what was the probability of his finding leasors for the office space. This was just after Peck explained what the demographics showed: that there was a sufficient need for resonable office space on the coastside for people living on the coast. There was a little back-and-forth btween the two, and that was it. All in all about 30 to 40 seconds of conflict for the whole meeting. No heckling, no bullying, no shouting down. All other speakers and questioners were accorded due respect by everyone there.

You and the others characterizing the supporters in the way you have, should really get in touch with reality.


Thanks, Jerry.

This was clearly an issue too big for the MCC board to handle, particularly with a completely inexperienced Chair.

As Leonard Woren said, the "forum is not intended to discuss the merits of the project."

The Chair had no control and let the meeting stay focused on pro and con. That was not the intent of the meeting. Their fault, not speakers on either side.

The "inappropriate" woman was no better or worse than anyone else. She should not have had that opportunity to take shots and the Big Wave supporters should have been reminded to maintain order.

HMB is far from perfect, but contentious City Council meetings there are actually handled with a very good degree of civility (even when the tone gets nasty). MCC showed its lack of experience.

Oh, and Merrilees should be Chair, by the way. You messed that one up.


Jerry,

I WAS there and on the tape you can hear McCracken's rude heckling but cannot see him (the camera was not turn on him). He made a spectacle of himself, jumping up redfaced and yelling at the speaker.

At any rate, your humble servant (Joe, the plumber) is today in Clearwater, Florida. Warm day, gentle waves, white sand - quite a paradise - WOULD BE, if you had not fight your way to the water's edge through parking lots, strip malls, condos, pawnshops, massage parlors, etc.

God (or Nature) created beautiful places, and development came and ruined it good and well. Moss Beach could easily become the monstrosity that Florida (or So. Cal) is today. It is up to us NOT TO DO IT!!!

Everyone, pls. help to preserve the Coastside before it becomes another casualty.


>>The Chair had no control and let the meeting stay focused on pro and con.<<

Readers should know that the Big Wave meeting would have been a challenge to even the most experienced Chair. The chair for this meeting was Deborah Lardie who was elected chair at the prior meeting. I believe that this was not only the first MCC meeting she chaired but the first public meeting of any kind she had chaired.

She did a good job considering--trying to shift the blame for the behavior of the Big Wave supporters onto Deborah is lame.

--Darin


Trying to disregard the behavior of Big Wave opponents is lame.


Brian's World:

Darin: That's lame.

Brian: No, it's you who are lame!

Darin: No, I'm not. You are.

Brian: Not me. You're super lame.

Darin: Super lame? I'm not lame!

Brian: You're super-duper triple lame.

Darin: This is stupid.

Brian: Lame! Lame! Lame!

Darin: This conversation is lame.

Brian: YOU and your conversation are lame. Just like MWSD and Barry Parr and Montara in general. You're all lame and stupid. You're lame.


Darin, get a hold of yourself.

Montara is actually a lovely place.

MWSD - I still wonder how Perkovic was able to have the "last word." I am surprised that he issued a misleading statement regarding service to the Big Wave property. Silly mistakes.


So, Jerry, what you're saying is that in a meeting that was 90% monopolized by Big Wave speakers, none of whom were heckled or verbally abused when they spoke, it is acceptable that for the remaining 10% who spoke up in opposition, that there were only a handful of occasions in which speakers were shouted down and condescended to by the attorney behind Big Waste and other supporters of the project? Very compelling rebuttal...


"In two hours and 17 minutes of tape, there were three events that can be called contentuous."

ONLY 3 events? Well, my bad, then. I guess three events is better than...uh....four? I think that the only thing that could have kept those contentious events from happening at all is if everyone just sensibly agreed with the Big Wave project, without er......making "big waves".

I watched the tape again, and the concerns which were raised were quite valid. Unfortunately, for a plan that has been "6 years in the works", there are still too many unanswered questions and few real specifics about traffic issues, sewage/water, and the environmental impact to make me - who would be a close neighbor - feel good about it.


No, Concerned Resident,

I'm saying no one, except the man (a supporter) who called the speaker inappropriate, was shouted down. I agree he was out of line and needed to be shouted down. The speaker went on and finished her diatribe against the "shame". The other two men (non-supporters) were not shouted down, nor bullied, nor heckled. The other speakers and questioners who were not supporters (7 to 10?) had their questions answered or were allowed their say with no adverse commentary whatsoever. So why don't you tell everybody who was heckled, bullied or shouted down?


"So why don't you tell everybody who was heckled, bullied or shouted down?"

Counting Peck himself snidely blowing off questions from the audience? Or just his attorney, McCracken, standing up and shouting in the middle of someone else's allotted time?

Either way you slice it, the Big Waste principals aren't doing themselves or their cause any favors by engaging in these antics.

Incidentally, you don't need me or anyone else to expound on what transpired at the meeting - it is all right there in the video, memorialized for the whole world to see... intelligent people can come to their own conclusions.

I can say that if I were Madeleine Maguire, Big Waste's Communications Director, I'd be looking to put as much distance between my organization and that fateful night as possible... and probably signing Peck and McCracken both up for some anger management classes and some diplomacy 101 training.


I'm getting very bored with trying to have a meaningful dialog with people who keep reiterating the same arguements over and over when they have been addressed. That's why Peck "blew off" the two men who refused to see that their questions had been answered. I'm blowing off this whole thread. Write if you find meaningful employment. Bye bye!


"Write if you find meaningful employment. Bye bye!" -< Clay, you going to let this one slide?

Jerry, stay classy!

If it is any consolation, you fit in well with Peck and the Big Waste crew. This is about the caliber of dialog we have collectively come to expect from them.


"...Big Waste crew. This is about the caliber of dialog..."

Calling it a ridiculous name and then commenting on "caliber of dialog?" Remarkable.


So you don't see a distinction between commenting on the merits of the project ("Big Waste") as opposed to slandering people who don't share your views ("Write if you find meaningful employment?)"

Actually, I hope Clay leaves this up. It perfectly supports my earlier post that what we saw at the MCC meeting was bullying, personal attacks, and overt hostility of the worst order.

Remember, it was Jerry who posted this earlier:

"I have to say that the characterizations by some, concerning the principals in this project are inaccurate... [Jeff Peck] didn't deserve to be the target of such a slanderous and personal attack. It was extremely unprofessional, to say the least.

I didn't hear any heckling from the crowd of supporters nor any snide comments."

Jerry - re-read what you just posted after a few deep breaths and I'm confident that you'll come to see what a fool you've just made of yourself.

Brian, nice try at damage control, but Jerry has himself to thank for this one...


BIG Wave: Not LEED Certified After All Web Link

At last month's MCC meeting developer Jeff Peck presented his plans to build a 300,000 square foot business park and associated Wellness Center on land behind the airport, adjacent to Princeton Harbor.

Peck claimed that the project was Platinum LEED certified. LEED certification is a mark of high environmental distinction in construction and the platinum level is its highest rank.

However, the US Green Building Council, the steward of the LEED certification program, does not list the Big Wave project in its certification database. The project is also not "pre-certified"--a distinction that applies to projects whose plans have been reviewed and approved by the US Green Building Council, subject to a final review of the finished structure.

Big Waves' plans, in early draft form and subject to change, are not considered ready by the Council for application for LEED certification.

Stephen St. Marie, a member of the Big Wave leadership team acknowledged the issue in an e-mail but pointed out that the project does intend to meet the LEED certification standards and eventually receive certification. He wrote, "...at this stage nothing is certified. It is intended that the project will be Leed Platinum Certified, and every design criterion to meet that certification will be met. But, you are right, there is no certification yet, nor could there be."


Jerry.

What a strong voice you have with such sagacity and control when you are faced with such negativity.

I have perhaps the best news a person like you would want since you are about to hear strong support from a powerful voice and presence who no one can possibly ignore.

It will address an entire new group and, in doing so, make the coast ultimately become a place like it should have become at one time.


"make the coast ultimately become a place like it should have become at one time."

Leave the coast alone! It is already what it should be - a great place to live! We don't need mega offices, fast food joints, pawn shops, WalMart - thank you very much!


I notice that "Youhavebeenheard" is a resident OUTSIDE of the community. Of course. I lived in Redwood City for 30 years, where this type of development was acceptable - and possible. There are many roads out of town in Redwood City. There is far more access to everything one needs there, as well.

But there are only 2 roads out of here, and they are narrow. Have you ever droven through that quaint little drive through Princeton, past Barbara's Fish Trap, the Brewing Company? Every morning we take that drive to work, which one dump truck can block with ease.

Face it - the coast is not the peninsula, "Youhavebeenheard"! We do live in a tsunami zone, and an even higher voice than the one YOU are mentioning can make itself heard in the event of an earthquake or tsunami. Those who think that it can't happen are living in denial. Anyone around during the '89 earthquake? I was. I know it can and will happen again. Why would ANYone put even MORE traffic in a place where it will be impossible to get through when those tsunami horns blast? And why would they put their loved ones in this position? Is it really all profit-based, after all?


That's "driven through", Deb - I hate typos.


Youhavebeenheard wrote this:

"I have perhaps the best news a person like you would want since you are about to hear strong support from a powerful voice and presence who no one can possibly ignore."

Does that mean Neil and Pegi have signed on to Big Wave?


"Leave the coast alone! It is already what it should be - a great place to live! We don't need mega offices, fast food joints, pawn shops, WalMart - thank you very much!"

Good point, Joe.

If Youhavebeenheard needs further development for his/her quality of life, there are plenty of places to get that kind of gratification - in fact, the majority of built-out other coastal communities already have everything that he/she finds lacking on the midcoast.

For those that chose the midcoast as their home, we passed on options - generally less expensive ones already filled with commercial blight - to pay a premium for a sanctuary away from all that.

If I wanted all that nonsense, I could have saved a fortune and moved to Daly City. Youhavebeenheard would probably really like it there.


"Does that mean Neil and Pegi have signed on to Big Wave?"

No, it means youhavebeenheard had this amazing dream last night where he was sitting with Obama in the oval office expounding on the virtues of a 300,000 square foot commercial office park on the midcoast while Obama smiled and nodded. It all seemed so vivid and real....


Hehehe! Good one, ACR!


More news from Florida:

This place is depressing.

I am not religilous, but if I was, here's how the devil/developer works:

1. Select a totally undesirable place (stark desert, swamp) with no land value at all. Think Las Vegas, Orlando.

2. Build some really tacky/cheesy attraction and market it to people.

3. People are stupid, they will come in hordes.

The thing is, the Coastside is NOT undesirable! It is highly desirable because it is the last few ocean fronts/beaches that is not wall-to-wall with QuickChange lubes, 7/11s, pawn shops, etc.

What is the point in ruining it and chase away all the people who come to live here for the scenic beauty and quite?

How does this make sense (except if you make $150 million on the paving-over and buy a private island in Bermuda on the profit)?


Hi Joe,

yes, Michael & I were amazed by the fact that you could drive on Daytona Beach. We couldn't wait to get back home.

"The thing is, the Coastside is NOT undesirable! It is highly desirable."

Joe, I completely agree with you. However, if you watched that video of the MCC meeting, you will see that one of the proponents described the area as being nothing special, dismissing it as being located next to a mobile home park(at least he didn't say: "trailer park)". We who live here call ourselves "home owners" - because we are - but to others, our location and community makes us less desireable. Yes, the land out here is cheap (except for those of us here at P.R., who pay over $1,000.00 per month in space rental), but that does not mean that we do not count.

In that I mean not only our opinions, but in quality of life and even our survival, when it comes down to that. I am not even convinced that there will be more jobs once Big Wave is constructed - except for the construction workers when it is being built (and for those of us who must commute through that area, we call them "obstruction workers"). For instance, how many jobs have been created by the (mostly empty) Harbor Village?

But I do agree with you -it is beautiful out here, and you can still breathe the air. Get a good whiff while you can.


Why not wait and see? All you people JUMP to conclusions. It may be a plan to fill the stores on MAIN ST. and have ONE eating place besides BARBARA'S or the BREWING COMPANY....... Jeesh.

And it could be multiracial and permit another Wong, or Chan or a Joe Lewis boxer, or an AMERICAN CITY....

It is, as usual, the blow hards who are older and remember the buggy days.....well, this is the 21st Century, and this place can only draw middle class people with the best properties on the beach already taken.The rest of you are worried about a Tsunami but not ONE of you thought of returning Vets or even mentioned a place for them with your REPUBLICAN views.

Why not wait and see if they don't build you a cracker barrel and a wood stove to sit around and gripe about the good old days?

You really are a bunch of punch drunk old geezers...Ms.Wong just is trying to fit in or they might blame Pearl Harbor on you even if you aren't Japanese...How come no Japanese, by the way?


I think we should get our air raid helmets out and dust off the binoculars.

This place is perfect for subs to attack!

Run for the tsunami tents...bring the beer and pretzels...


There have been a bunch of threads on TA about Big Wave with plenty of dialog. One that I commented on was about the MCC meeting at Seton. There were some good comments there. Rather than repeat myself (regarding the meeting itself), here's the link: Web Link


"It is, as usual, the blow hards who are older and remember the buggy days....."

Well, Skugged, I see your fake name over many of these forums, so I guess it takes one blowhard to know them all.

"The rest of you are worried about a Tsunami but not ONE of you thought of returning Vets or even mentioned a place for them with your REPUBLICAN views."

I'm a Democrat, Skugged...big Obama supporter. If you read up on the Big Wave project, there was NO MENTION of "returning vets". Irrelevant.

"Ms.Wong just is trying to fit in or they might blame Pearl Harbor on you even if you aren't Japanese...How come no Japanese, by the way?"

Wow..racist comments from Skugged. Who knew? None of your comments are relevant to the Big Wave project. After all, read up on the people who are building the project. Say what? How come no Japanese? Good question.


Debbie........cute.

No blacks, not many Chinese except in restaurants and the Thai owners do not live here from the restaurant which is dying a slow death as did the previous one...no supporter from the Frozen food crowd who stay at home and watch their not paid for big screen TV's someone mentioned.

Why must you quote me only to make MY point? There DOES happen to be a surprise in re: which has to do with housing for returning vets and

it might be next door to YOU even..Will you ignore them? IS IT IRRELEVANT?....(name calling goes here and possibly what all these fat die hards call you behind your back--nasty bunch and you KNOW it)

IF you are a DEMOCRAT what do you think OBAMA would think of your downgrading the disabled vets by putting them in Kansas or Vegas and have to see more desert among the failing HOTELS and casinos..No, not in Kansas Debbie...I know your thinking.....peripheral, or obtuse.

YOURS are the racist comments ever since you decided to speak for the group here. Did you know that Chinese as well as Japanese were interred in prison camps during WWII because fools like on the board here did not know the differences between cultures? A little history.

SKUGGED is my real nickname and it stands for something which was given to me at Stanford which was made when I defeated a classmate on the exiting of Viet Nam...Each letter is rather symbolic of what is going on in TINY TOWN here.RACISM is alive and well.

As for George, who seems to be fair and smarter than most of you, who spell like you are on Opium (one of the plans we have is an opium den next to the dirty book store, above the strip club)....He does get into that MONTARA FOG film a LOT and the owner probably lost his cool because most of you just sit and JUDGE without asking questions.

Did it ever occur to you that the plans are helpful and not intended to change this crumbling paradise....

You WILL be speaking to people from higher offices than the COUNTY you normally so despise and who will not be around much longer after the next election. So get your best speakers and throw together a city council meeting and asks yourselves, "Are we in danger of losing all this to corrupt outsiders?".......YES AND NO..not until you hear and take the cotton out of your orifices.


"There have been a bunch of threads on TA about Big Wave with plenty of dialog. One that I commented on was about the MCC meeting at Seton. There were some good comments there. Rather than repeat myself (regarding the meeting itself), here's the link"

Thank you for that, George. I was especially moved by Kim Andersen-Ashburn's comments. I can understand. My brother Mark is autistic, and I am the one who has to approve of the choices for his care. Soon, I will be the one to tell him that our mother has passed away. She feared that no one would be able to continue caring for him once she was gone. My siblings and I are confident in the care that he gets at Sonoma D.C., and are fighting to keep it going. Comprehensive care - we meet with the staff regularly. Mark is in better health than we are!

From all that I have read and heard about Big Wave, however, it will offer care to only a few - more exclusive, and certainly wouldn't be the type of place that would be able to handle a severely handicapped, often violent, autistic person like my brother. I CAN sympathize that Peck wants a place for his son, and it's his property, so why not build it? But since there's a forum about it, I will offer my opinion, all the while knowing that in the long run, what will be will be.

Perhaps you are right that we should not judge this project until the DEIR comes out. It's just that some of us are worried that by that time, it will be too late. I have seen it time & again - the developers usually win out (sigh).


"IF you are a DEMOCRAT what do you think OBAMA would think of your downgrading the disabled vets by putting them in Kansas or Vegas and have to see more desert among the failing HOTELS and casinos..No, not in Kansas Debbie...I know your thinking.....peripheral, or obtuse."

Heck, Skugged, my disabled vet uncle lives in Garberville, and likes it there for all of the non-growth (well...of office buildings, & development).

"Did it ever occur to you that the plans are helpful and not intended to change this crumbling paradise...."

If you are correct, then I'm all for it. But "helpful" is a relative term. Maybe I just can't wrap my "obtuse" mind around the fact that more vehicles = more traffic = congestion.


Debbie........

PLEASE tell us ALL that you have READ and HEARD about BIG WAVE.

Have you read LOUDER THAN WORDS?

MOTHER WARRIORS?

HEALING AND PREVENTING AUTISM?

And now YOU have a brother with autism you present with such knowing and caring about his future and do not wish to know if this facility might be of help to him?

I think you are a phony. We ALL have friends who have autistic members of their families trying to do ANYTHING about it and you want to sit in the sun alone with all the old farts on this board. Inspiring as hell.


GARBERVILLE?

VET?

Do you invite him to the beach or are you ashamed of him or do not want to share this paradise?


"Do you invite him to the beach or are you ashamed of him or do not want to share this paradise?"

Of course I am not ashamed. My uncle would scoff at your term "paradise:" when describing our area. It isn't for everyone, by a long shot. He hates the traffic and the noise of the "big city" as he calls the S.F. Bay Area. He loves the redwoods, the peace & quiet there. So does my brother, another Viet Vet, who moved up there in the early 80s. They think we are crazy for liking it here. I think Garberville is too out in the boonies. So it goes - it isn't for everyone. Why do you assume that Big Wave is?

It is interesting to see that you also have a family member with autism. Where does your family member live? Who cares for them? Tell us, with your great knowledge, what Big Wave can provide for your loved one, that perhaps a place that Sonoma D.C. or your D.D. relation doesn't have. What are its qualifications? My brother has two psychiatrists, 2 M.D.s (one of whom prescribes an assortment of medications - it is a real balancing act), a dentist, a social worker, advocate, and several consistent caregivers. He has a job he loves, and a set routine. This is all in an area with access to a community with the space required to handle the population.

You call me a "phony", but I am using my real name here. Nicknames don't count. If you are real, prove it. Who are you really, and tell us about what you know that we don't.


"But there are only 2 roads out of here, and they are narrow. Have you ever droven through that quaint little drive through Princeton, past Barbara's Fish Trap, the Brewing Company? Every morning we take that drive to work, which one dump truck can block with ease."

Reality is such a bitch. And in the discussion on the misplaced commercial office park with the DD kludge, we haven't yet heard comment on the status of one of the two two-lane access roads, namely Capistrano. (Hint: it isn't the kind of public street you think it is.)

Loved the comment on "growth" around Garberville. The Emerald Triangle lives. Not to worry about Skugged--some loose connections there struggling to reattach. Coherence remains a wish. A vacation in Whitethorn or Honeydew might help.


"Loved the comment on "growth" around Garberville. The Emerald Triangle lives.."

Heh, heh, yep, "Moss Bitcher"....a lot of my Viet Vet. family & Viet Vet. "buds" came back with an advanced education of horticulture....


Skugged,

"Have you read LOUDER THAN WORDS? MOTHER WARRIORS? HEALING AND PREVENTING AUTISM?"

No, and I don't care to either! Jenny McCarthy pays her staff to care for her child with autism. Hell, she admitted that she was with Jim Carey for months prior to even admitting that she even had a son with autism?

Not to mention that she attended a bikini photo shoot when her son was fragile of death due to seizures. Thank god for a nanny!

Oh, yeah ... I loved it when she shared on Oprah that us moms who are broke because we can't work can come and watch her son while she enjoys a Celebrity night out on the town?

I replied back to Kris McCann (California Affordable Housing Institute) in regards to her remarks that she should take moms and treat them to a day at the spa. Guess what ... two days later, she was treating moms to a day at the spa on the news.

Frankly, I don't know how many more ideas people are going to take from me but 9-months of collaboration is a record I must say!

Get a life and read some books written by Real Doctors and Real People!


Here are some other names of people who I also sent my proposals to. Jenny also claimed to not have my proposal either but after months of follow-up, she finally mailed it back. Others chose to keep them and never did mail them back. So much for PARTNERING to Create a Brighter Future for Adults on the Spectrum!

Accuride/Scott & Kent Jordan (7/26/07)

Actor’s for Autism – Shawn Adams (9/4/07)

Al & Tipper Gore (1/27/08 & 2/13/08)

Autism Research Institute of San Diego – Matt Kabler (9/19/07)

Autism Society of America – Lee Grossman (10/14/07, 7/1/08)

Autism Speaks/Bob & Suzanne Wright (2/28/08)

Big Wave Project (9/24/07, 11/1/07, 11/14/07, 3/29/08, 6/9/08, 12/19/08, 1/20/09)

Billie Weiss & Family/UCLA – (10/17/07)

Bob Scowcroft – Organic Farming & Research Foundation Santa Cruz (9/7/07)

Boys & Girls Clubs of America - Edwin Cotton (9/6/07)

Carla Slater (8/26/07)

Carlos Flores/San Diego Regional Center (2/12/2008)

Charlotte Graham & Family/Smith International (9/14/07)

Chef’s For Charities – Cindy Rhodes (11/6/07)

Chuck & Sarah Gardner/M.I.N.D. Institute ( 6/28/07, 6/17/08)

Creative Living Options – Joan Schmidt & Kathleen Campbell (9/26/07)

Cycle 31 Grant – State of California (1/6/08)

Dan Clark/San Diego Regional Center (2/12/2008)

David Lucero & Family (10/25/07)

Debbie Wexler – (9/26/07)

Denise Resnik/S.A.A.R.C. (7/10/07)

Dolores Robinson/Robinson-Peete Foundation (10/19/07, 6/10/08)

FACTSFamilies.org/Cheryl Cisneros, Susi Vickery, Toni Segura (9/27/07, 12/28/08, 2/20/08, 6/18/08)

F.E.A.T. Sacramento – Nancy Fellmeth & Lynn Weissmann (3/20/07, 5/4/07)

Firestone Family/Perry King (7/26/07)

Donald Trump (1/23/08)

Dr. Terrance Chang (10/4/07)

Dr. Tuan Doan (8/24/07)

Dr. Robert Hendren/M.I.N.D. Institute (11/2/07)

Dr. Stephen Edelson/A.R.I. (10/3/07)

Dr. Stephen Shore (10/17/07)

Ed & Ruth Shannon (6/14/07)

Gene Boyd/Department of Treasury (9/6/07)

Gene Simmons (9/17/08)

George Braddock/Creative Housing Solutions (9/7/07)

Great Plains Lab (9/11/07)

Hallmark Group/Chuck Gardner (8/8/07)

Holly Robinson-Peete (6/30/07)

Jack Nicholson & Family (9/23/07)

Jeff Peck/Big Wave Project (9/24/07, 11/1/07, 11/14/07, 3/29/08)

Jenny McCarthy & Family (6/30/07)

John Edwards (2/13/08)

John Travolta Family (6/30/07)

Julia Mullen/Department of Disabilities (9/6/07, 6/17/08)

Karen Amende (11/6/07)

Ken Schwartzentraub/Department of Disability Services (9/6/07)

Kirkman Vitamins (9/6/07)

Kimberly Diamond (9/11/07)

Kris McCann/California Affordable Housing Institute) (6/10/07, 7/26/07, 9/29/07, 6/17/08)

Linda Davis (10/2/07)

Mike Danneker/Westside Regional Center/CAAHI (9/24/07, 6/17/08)

Maria Shriver (1/29/08)

Mariam Houghton/Grant Consultant (9/26/07)

Nate Berkus (2/13/08)

Nell Newman/Newman’s Organics (6/16/07, 7/26/07, 9/6/07)

Newman Family/Newman’s Own (6/16/07, 7/26/07)

Oprah (2/13/08)

Pamela Wolfberg (12/4/07)

Peter Meehan (6/16/07, 7/26/07, 9/6/07)

Phil Bonnet/Alta Regional Center (9/5/07, 6/17/08)

Pride Industries (4/22/07)

Proval Family (9/23/07)

Redwood Coast Regional Center/Cindy Claus-John (9/4/07)

Rick Rollens (6/10/07)

Robert Redford & Family (6/26/07, 4/23/08)

Robinson-Peete Foundation (7/26/07)

Ron Huff/Alta Regional Center (9/5/07, 6/17/08)

Ron Salisbury/The Cannery & El Cholo Restaurants (9/17/07)

Saxony Dominguez/Learning Solutions (9/5/07)

T.A.C.A./Lisa Ackerman (10/4/07)

Temple Grandin (12/3/07)


Based on this most recent list of recipients, it sounds like you have your stuff out there. If you have been rejected as often as you say, there must be a reason for it.

Posting a list of folks you sent information to, here on Talkabout, makes me think two things;

* you are playing us for fools

* if your proposals had merit, you'd be having Jenny watch your kids while you get the spa treatment.

I'm sorry for being mean, Ms Kim, but I, for one, am sick of hearing you moan and bitch, from a distance, about us, our residents and process, and your lack of inclusion.

I feel compelled to repeat that if your stuff had merit, it surely would have been picked up by someone. Goodness knows, you've put it out there enough times.

If what you say is true, then look harder for the reasons. Start by looking within. Good luck.


No, I would prefer to put the truth out there ... before rather than ... after. That is what my fight here is all about. And, if I don't STOP this Private Country Club Mentality NOW ... it is only going to spin out of control and get worse.

Don't tell me a year from now, five years from now or ten years from now that I did not tell you so.

This is a group of lawyers, politicians, celebrities, and autism groups that are aligning in order to duplicate the Big Wave Project Private Country Club Model in: Half Moon Bay, San Jose, Monterey, Santa Barbara, Los Angeles, Temecula, and Sacramento.

If I am wrong ... I am very sorry for wasting all of your time BUT I guarantee you, I am right.

I am honest, sincere, and compassionate too for ALL people with disabilities. If you do not make a stance and allow this to go through, you will be the ones who were blinded, not me!


And, I wasn't rejected.

Like I said, my proposal was groundbreaking and it is the egos and greed of others who chose to take my ideas and duplicate them, including Big Wave Project and many, many others!

I can't wait to watch the new "Ford" Movie based on a common man who invented the Ford!


Quite a list......MONTARA FOG is the best source of news in the world as well.....harummph.

As for the alphabetical list of names....Phooeey!

You know more about Jenny than the guys who saw her naked in PLAYBOY]

As for Debbie "YOU LIGHT UP MY LIFE" who wants us to feel badly for her uncle or brother because he hates loud cities...pity.

Since you normally put even my belches in quotes, go back and read where I said I had a member of MY family with autism. Your family has everything from Leprosy, to Beri beri and Pelagra.

Tell your brother with two shrinks to loan you one of them. You are a self pitying, pushy and aggressive person who wants everything done to suit you......So do all of us...Just does not work that way.

In case you do not get it, eminent domain was on the list NEXT when the tunnel ever gets completed.

Also,gas is still high priced, roads are empty,and will be so for about 5 years.

I would be more concerned for those people from the war having nice houses in which to live which they will be able to afford and raise their children in the atmosphere you and the other yacky witch with a hyphenated regal name and no class. The world will grow no matter how long you hold your breath and turn blue and throw tantrums in all of the hospital corridors you must spend your time visiting family. Why not just build a hospital for THEM?

Does June 7,2006 mean anything to you, or do you just read along with Kim the life and woes of Jenny McCarthy?


I have been both blessed and cursed in my life. But, I know that my ideas have HUGE merit. When I wrote my book entitled, "How to Enter Modeling Without Getting Ripped Off; 25-Steps from Building a Portfolio to Finding a Legitimate Agent" it was my first taste of greed within the publishing industry.

I did my research and found at that time, that only two books existed, "Cat Walk" and "Model." I knew that there was a need to help others so, I spent everything I had writing this book for three years.

I sent it to all of the big publishing houses who in return told me there was no interest? I received my Copyright Book from all of the BIG Publishers returned with pages upside down and out-of-sink and it was obvious that they copied it before sending it back.

I also asked Cindy Crawford and Arthur Elgort to submit material based on "Super Models Share Their Beauty Secrets" and "How to Take Great Pictures of Your Kids."

Guess what ... they both wrote their own books based on my ideas and concepts. And, following ... at least five books were published after 1995 when my book was Copyright protected?

I am not a DREAMER ... I have ideas that have merit but unfortunately, I am a no-name who tries desperately to take my ideas to the next level BUT those with names, politics, celebrities, a support group behind them, are the ones who win in the long run!


I have come to this topic to reflect on the remarks having to do with racism. Japanese people were mentioned. Internment camps were mentioned.

You do not have to look further than your city council to see that people of Japanese descent have been a part of the coastside for many many years. This family has worked hard and given much to our community no matter what you think.

Think about it.


Who said they weren't?

Want some cliches? Some of them are the best gamblers I have ever gone with when Vegas was alive.

They have the best manners of any people I know.

They are beautiful and kind.

Some of my best friends ARE Japs.

And THOSE would be the first to laugh instead of sending me hate mail like I am about to get.


With all respect to the Japanese .. my closest friends are the Yamasaki Family who took me on a two-month tour when I was 14-years-old .. a vacation that I will treasure for a lifetime.

But, what does 6/7/06 have to do with anything? I started to send my concerns out to the Autism Community in 4/2003?


It must be an absolutely terrible existence having every idea, thought, dream taken by others.

You play the victim role well, but not well enough.

Please, Ms Kim, go share yourself with another community. We've had more than enough.

Good luck to you, although it sounds like anything other than misfortune would be good luck for you.

Like I said earlier, look hard for the answers you seek. Start by looking within.


On the other hand (and I should keep out of this since I do not live locally) the person who keeps posting that her ideas have been stolen...

I, too, could not find a publisher for my scientific work. So I self published. This process is even easier these days with print-on-demand. You never have to leave home!

I am so so sorry that she spent everything she had writing the book. I have found that the writing costs next to nothing if you already own a computer (or in my case, a typewriter). I even used the blank backs of used paper for my first draft so as well as not having the expense of paper I was also recycling!

I am sorry to sound as if I am bragging. The time difference here has my brain confused. I will try next time to post my thoughts during the day on my local time!


Skugged - I stand corrected, you have FRIENDs (?) who have family members who have autism. If you had written anything worth reading, I would have read it more carefully.

The only reason that I mentioned racism is that you made an assumption about my race, judging by my last name, and then tried to use it as a relevant point in this discussion:

"Ms. Wong just is trying to fit in or they might blame Pearl Harbor on you even if you aren't Japanese...How come no Japanese, by the way?"

My question - What do the Japanese have to do with the Chinese? Oh yeah...you tried to cover that later, with a non-sequitir that one race was confused with another in WWII - as if it was somehow o.k. to American Japanese, for any reason. But why did race ever enter into this forum at all? You had already stereotyped the others who disagree with you about Big Wave as "...a bunch of punch drunk old geezers".

You did mention opium in an earlier post, "Skugged" - I think you've had enough of that stuff, how about passing on the bong now? Though I guess I'm no better, still having an online discussion with a lunatic named "Skugged".


Quite-a-list & Skugged,

Kim is trying to make a very real point here, something very real that has not only taken place once but twice. In one posting you praise Jenny and in the next you slam her for appearing in Playboy?

Are you Bi-Polar? And, I don't mean that in a mean way, SKUGGED!

This world is both wonderful and cruel, I prefer to look at Kim as the wonderful and I look at Big Waste as the cruel.

It doesn't take but minutes to read through Kim's Blog: www.falanow.blogspot.com to know that she is VERY real.

I have also read Big Wave Project's website that tells me along with the MCC Video that these people really have nothing to offer but the prosperity that they place in their own pockets.

It is very sad when a honest, giving, and compassionate person like Kim continues to be taken advantage of by others. She deserves nothing but the best and those of us who have come to know her through these threads feel the same way.

I think that you are the one who needs to look inside yourselves. The remarks that you made to Deb and other family members struggling with developmental disorders suffer too.

You should be ashammed of yourselves and your comments are appalling! Take a real good look in the mirror if you can stand it ... the mirror never lies!


dr, your comments responded to nothing I said. I went back and looked at them and you miss the mark.

You say "..I prefer to look at Kim as the wonderful and I look at Big Waste as the cruel." That is your priveledge. You can feel any way you want. That doesn't mean we have to go along with it. I don't.

I would like to see your heroette take a hike. I have no patience for anyone that goes through their entire life crying about being victimized.

Don't you find it just a bit peculiar that this person, whom you've never met, spends hours and hours on this blogsite telling anyone that will listen how she's been on the bad end of life's stick, ...her whole life?

She attempts to dominate all BW threads, telling us how she got ripped, how wonderful she is, how beautiful she is, how tough life is and how she invented the wheel but Ford stole it.

She is no more than a distraction to our community. I, for one, would prefer she mind her own business, play in her own playpen and spend more time with what's important, ...family.


Dr. Do-Good, thank you for your rational post. I'm afraid that I get sucked into the insanity when attacked on here, & strike back, so I'm just as bad. I thought that these posts were monitored, with the instruction to: "Please be respectful of others", but apparently that went by the way-side.

Anyway, I read Kim's blog, and was struck by the irony when Jeff Peck told Kim that her family "...(is) not the right fit for Big Wave!", after Kim gave him the ideas for the project in the first place. Kim, my heart goes out to you. You have put more energy into this subject than anyone. I hope that you find the best for Alex, whether it be a better diet, housing, etc.


Brian Ginna,

You are the one who needs to get a life! Remember, I am a good listener and that is what I get paid for.

By the way, say hello to your BFF, Jenny McCarthy for me. I am sure your Private Jets come in handy while her nannny and staff care for her autistic son!

Does she actually write her books or does she have someone else do that for her too!


Brian,

You are a real piece of work!

Who watches your kids when you post constantly while taking on god knows how many different personalities?

You are a bottom feeder or should I say a $$$$$$$$$ feeder!

No one likes you either but I am sure that Jenny will come to your rescue?

I read that Jim Carey put $50 million in a trust for Jenny's son so why would Jenny be interested in promoting Big Wave Project?

Silly question? She is in it for the money and publicity too!

I forgot, this is a Private Country Club Model! What is the title of her next book? "How Big Wave Project Made Me Big Money!"


Why do I think $$$$$$$$$$$$ and Dr. Do-good are the same person? Why do I think this person is using her real name in other posts?

You are certainly within your rights to do this.

It is just laughable how often people who post anonymously berate others for doing the same.

Oh my! Am I doing that now?

See what I mean?


Dana S. Gray,

I am a man not a woman. Who has the last laugh now!


"Why do I think $$$$$$$$$$$$ and Dr. Do-good are the same person? Why do I think this person is using her real name in other posts?

You are certainly within your rights to do this.

It is just laughable how often people who post anonymously berate others for doing the same.

Oh my! Am I doing that now?

See what I mean?"

I am one of the few on here using a real name. Nope, it isn't me. If you want, check with Clay and the Review, to verify that. But just your making that observation, Skugged (or whomever you are) - shows just how YOU think - and it doesn't help your cause one bit.

This is also a good reason for using real, actual names in posts, because if people have a name to hide behind (apparently) they can be as abusive and bullying as they wish, without having to account for their uncivilized behavior here.


Sorry Deb, if you thought I was referring to you. Never entered my mind. I am thinking of another person.

Dr. Do-good, you big silly! Why would someone who posts anonymously need to be truthful about their gender? I certainly wouldn't be.

Why believe anything an anonymous poster puts forth?

We have no clue whether you are a "Dr." or you "do good" or you live in Moss Beach or what gender you are. Or even if the comments you post here are your true opinions!


Oh, but Dana, I know you all too well. In fact, on a first name basis!

Have you changed careers? You are a Private-Eye now?

I have a right to my opinions or do you want to control that too?

Maybe you can arrange to have a Parade end at Big Wave Project and be in charge of the Ribbon Cutting when your political friends announce they will grant Big Wave Water Rights!

Or can we all sleep at night knowing that will never happen?


Had to go to a fund raiser at the RITZ....not sorry to miss this mess.

QUESTION: RACISM...1)Are YOU the only Asian/Chinese representative living on the coast?

2)Are you in the real estate market or something akin to it? 3)Do you agree that there should be an inclusion of other races in this dream land territory?

4)Do you think calling caucasians WHITES is offensive as calling yellow skin people ASIANS?

5)Would you vote on having a proportionate share of Asians living on the coast valid?

6)Do you, as an Asian person think sterotyping an Asian person as a restaurant owners,waiters,bad drivers,and pigtailed a bad thing? People do it, just as they say the N word, Jap like I mentioned earlier,Spic (which I hear on the streets of HMB) when I see the hungry workers hoping for a day job)

7)If you are not in real estate, then why do you not mention, in its stead, the inclusion of more educated Anglocized money making Asians to the Coast, like you are.Are you asharmed of your own race? I like Chinese....Is there a laundry here? I would remind you your ancestors not that far back died building railways all the way to El Granada.

8)Having had a modicum of an education, you appear to be better educated than 90% of the writers here.What is your purpose ulitimately?......I would wager REAL ESTATE. Besides ALL of the sick members of your family, do you have one of your own right here?Are you married to an Asian?

Like most of you who do not LEAP to conclusions, but skyrocket to get to them, I would say you have NOTHING to do with this area or might even be suspect and think you are an atty. and work for some of the companies you are slaughtering as to gather information...Like people thought of Tokyo Rose (nee Rose D'Aquino a UCLA Japanese schoolgirl who was visiting her family in Tokyo when she was forced to do radio shows with her "American" accent and later found innocent)as being a spy against the fighting men.SHE was Asian, like you. I like those people during WWII and behaving in a traditional American way and wondering what GOOD all of this defense of HMB is doing YOU?

Finally, NONE of you have figured out what June 7th means and it is just a simple shortcut to have you figure out how come the case for BIG WAVE was so handily won and made the lawyers and owner so rich.Is HE not Asian?

After last night's meeting, we have decided to not address any insults since you will more than likely be hearing from Jenny McCarthy's attornies since you are accusing her of profitting on line and the use of pseudonyms will probably(if they decide to sue)have to deposition poor Clay in order to find out the real names of all of you who have practically made her into a conniving monster mother.

One last comment for Deb WONG...as of TODAY the highest unemployment rate in CA is among the ASIANS at 8% above Blacks. Don't you think you owe THEM something more than this beach area? Our group has several wounded veterans, male and female in their immediate families who were earning 300,000 down to 30,000 a year and with their prosthetics, one cannot tell their limbs were blown off. I am far more embarrassed at the 80% FAT people here who love it so and spell like dyslexics.

Be hearing from you...as for that phony Kim, who cares? A book about MODELING?????? You are TOOOOO ridiculous for words. I say hang her.


In case the morons didn't get it, the last question was for Super Wong the champion of all rights....get em Deb


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yikes...

The bigger crises coming into focus is obviously the quality of education offered at Cunha/HMB High.

I wonder if Big Waste will have a remedial program for physiologically normal but otherwise psychologically maladjusted and borderline illiterate local youth?

Beavis and Butthead, Big Waste could be your ticket to a brighter future.


"In case the morons didn't get it, the last question was for Super Wong the champion of all rights....get em Deb"

YAWN.......your antics are growing tiresome, "Skugged". I will NO LONGER respond to your derogatory, name-calling posts - they are not worth my valuable time. Ironic that you are good at name calling, but can't own up to your own given name. It is so easy to be a cowardly bully on these forums, hiding behind a pseudonym. But as far as credibility? You have NONE. You seem to have an agenda (or several) which just are not relevant to this discussion. You could do with one on Anger Management. Of all of the posts you have placed here, your rage at whatever is eating at you comes through loud & clear.

Who knows? You could just be a ringer for the Review, to give their website hits....you know - controversy, and all that - since Clay won't pull your negative, abusive, posts. The Review's admonition here to: "Please be respectful of others" is far beyond you. You have a stereotype for everyone, and spew forth INACCURATE garbage over those whose opinions don't match yours.

The hell with that - I won't play anymore. It's turning my usually sweet and tolerant self into a very angry bitch. I don't like that effect on me, so it's Over & Out, "Skugged".

For anyone else, I will be happy to discuss the Big Wave project, as long as you are civilized. This subject might affect me, since I will be Big Wave's neighbor. To be honest, I wouldn't have given "Big Wave" any notice, except that I received a couple of emails from the head of our Homeowner's Association, about the possible negative ramifications of the project. If the effects of sharing our common well water, traffic congestion, saline plant issues, and the environmental impact actually won't make a difference to us, then I will be happy. I guess that I wanted to be assured that Big Wave will not adversely affect my community. I can "Live and let Live", you know?

I haven't gotten much reassurance from this TA forum (so far), and the information provided by thoise in the "know" who are "pro" Big Wave. Perhaps there aren't any. I really don't mind of Jeff Peck wants to make a profit for himself and others - that is the American Way. So what if he wants to build a place for his son? I think that is great. That the project is being purported to be more altruistic than profitable, well, we see this all the time. I will be fine with Big Wave, as long as it doesn't adversely affect those who are already here.

Many in our community - who seem to be disregarded on account of the fact that we are renting space in a mobile home park - are wary of this project. What does it mean for us? It's a reasonable question. We need some positive, solid, reasons as to why Big Wave will not only be harmless, but could possibly be beneficial to us, as it will be to the 50 or so developmentally disabled persons who will live and work there.


Wow, I cannot believe the comments from Deb and SKUGGED. Let me address my concerns:

1) I have a right to my personal opinions and so do others.

2) Jeff Peck can make any profits he wants to as long as it does not have to do with my Copyright ideas.

3) The book on MODELING that I wrote, "How To Enter High-Fashion Print & Commercial Modeling without Getting Ripped-Off: 25 Steps from Building a Portfolio to Finding A Legitimate Agent" is meant to help people do just that!

Tell me SKUGGED, how many years have you and your kids along with Jenny done Volunteer work with no strings attached?

If I am such a BIG Phony, why not prove it! Oh, by the way that is a slanderous remark which I am sure Clay will tell you that qualifies as a Law Suit! Everything that I have done in my life has been to help others, what have you done?

Also, this crock about the Big Wave kids volunteering their time to do "Meals on Wheels" and other kind gestures for seniors is ridiculous! Who came up with that anyway? I started doing "Meals on Wheels" when I was 11-years-old. If they have not started from a young age, I would kiss that good-bye!

The older teens at the Big Wave Unveil on 6-8-08 that were standing outside on the patio where cussing up a storm. Every word out of their mouths was foul. It was so bad, that my 10-year-old twin boys had to cover their ears and we had to leave the meeting?

And, you think they will behave around seniors and be all warm and fuzzy?


Big Wave Project keeps asking me "What I Want? What are my motives?"

This is what I want:

1) I want the "Private Country Club Clause" REMOVED!

2) I want The Big Wave Project and "ALL" others affiliated with Big Wave Project to serve "ALL" people with developmental disabilities!

3) I want "ALL" monies generated off of Big Wave Project to go back into serving this cause throughout California and in all Counties!

4) If the backers "REALLY" want to do what is best for people with disabilities and their Communities, than writing a check or donating the land with the intention that it will serve "ALL" needs to be their Mission Statement.

5) There are to be "No Profits or Strings Attached" intended to be put back into any backer's pockets.

6) All profits will go back into replicating this "Model" to serve "ALL" throughout California and aid in its success and self-sustainability.

That is what I want!


Deb,

I, too, just got around to looking at the web-link where Darrin taped the MCC meeting.

I admit that I have known Jeff, Steve & Jamie for several years and have attended other meetings where this project was discussed and I am whole-heartedly in favor of it for many reasons:

1. I think it is a beautiful example of how private enterprise can flourish while contributing to the needs of the non-profit world.

2. I agree with those who foresee a time when Princeton will be filled with a lively mix of live-work spaces, shops and restaurants fitting all price ranges.

3. I think the design which integrates nature, people, and commerce is innovative and will be exciting to witness.

4. I think the idea of the project producing much of its energy and disposing of its waste on-site is creative and will be a sustainable addition to our Coastside.

The couple who sat in the front row and whose names I could not catch, seemed to be adversarial in their questioning and, in my opinion, were not interested in a civil discussion. Unfortunately their attitude did provoke negative reactions from some in the audience.

Neil gave a thorough and respectful overview of the project and raised important issues and the MCC, in my opinion, asked good questions.

I for one, hope to see this project come to fruition.

Mary


Mary Ascher,

It does not matter what you want.

Unless Big Wave meets the above mentioned criteria or pays a very large sum of money for the use of my ideas so I can build my model to help others with all disabilities, there really is nothing to talk about here now is there?


Dr. Do-good, bless its little heart addressed the following to me:

"Oh, but Dana, I know you all too well. In fact, on a first name basis!"

OMG! I've been outted!

Oh please please please! Don't tell anyone else!


Live, Work, Green (L.W.G.), Inc. is a Business Enterprise Proposal that promotes a Eco-Friendly and Green Nation. Revenues generated from L.W.G., Inc. will help sustain and bring relief to the Housing Crisis for People with Disabilities. L.W.G., Inc. will also offer Employment, Health & Dental, and increase Quality of Life for People with Disabilities.

Live, Work, Green, Inc.’s Enterprise & Brand Labeling can include: Retail and Service-based Businesses, Live-Work-Green Residential Lofts, exclusive L.W.G. Retail Product Line, and L.W.G. Food Product Line & Bistro.

Live, Work Green, Inc.’s Commercial & Residential Buildings can be located in every City and State. The Properties will exude a hip Retail and Live-Work-Green Environment and can feature the following amenities:

Ground Level: Full-service Recycling Center, Postal Annex, Recycled Stationary and Card Store, Eco-Friendly Pet Grooming & Dog Walking Services, Chemical Free Dry Cleaners, Eco-Travel Agency, Book Store, Music Center, Game-DVD Rental & Retail Outlet, Organic: Grocery, Coffee, Juice Bar, Bakery, and Bistro.

Second Level: L.W.G., Inc.’s Designer Showroom and Retail Outlet; all products sold will be All Natural, Energy Efficient, and Eco-Friendly. Each year, we would like all top designers to team with a Celebrity and create a product or product line exclusive to L.W.G., Inc.’s Label.

Third Level: L.W.G., Inc.’s Architectural, Interior Design, In-Home, and Business Consulting Firm, Graphic Design Studio, Classrooms, and Art Gallery.

Fourth Level: Live-Work-Green Gym & Day Spa: Indoor Gym with Exercise Machines, Salt-water Pool, Epson Salt Jacuzzi, Infra-Red Sauna, H-bot, Massage Room, and an area for Tai Chi, Chi Kung, Kick Boxing, and Yoga Classes.

Fifth through 10th Levels: Live-Work-Green Lofts with Media, Game Room and Snack Bars on every other third floor (7th & 10th).

Rooftop: Zen Garden, BBQ Area, Seating Areas, Fire pit, Waterfall with Quoi Pond, and outdoor Meditation area.

© Copyright 2007 Families for Adults Living with Autism. All Rights Reserved

Families for Adults Living with Autism (F. A. L. A.) www.falanow.com

Hey Dana, how much money is in your wallet?


Vision: Families for Adults Living with Autism (F.A.L.A.) is looking to purchase or have donated sizeable acreage and workable farm land that would be managed by staff, its residents, and volunteers/mentors.

In addition to the property serving as a year-round working Organic Farm and Permanent Residence for Families impacted by Autism, added income would be generated by our Community Development Center Programs and For-Profit Businesses.

The Eco-Friendly Planned Community will offer its residents a multi-component program: Ongoing Therapy, Addressing the importance of Diet, Exercise, Nutrition & Treatments, Education, Self-enrichment, Job Skill Training & Placement, Leisure Activities, Travel Destinations, Recreation, Special Olympic Sports, Cultural Events, The Arts, and much more.

Transitional Residence Settings: Families for Adults Living with Autism (F.A.L.A.) will also offer a range of Residence Settings dependent on the needs of each adult; Co-housing, Apartments, Condos, and Cottages.

Once professionally assessed, they would either remain in the Co-housing setting while working with a Life Skills Coach or transition to the next lesser restrictive environment; the Apartment and/or Condo setting with the supervision and hands-on training from the Life Skills Coaches.

Once the residents learn to become fully independent; (cook, clean, work, etc.) they would then move into the Cottage setting which is the least restrictive with the supervision of a Life Skills Coach and so on.

Our resident graduates who become fully capable of living independently and would like to transition out into the aligning communities will have lifelong access to The Community Development Center’s Day Program and Employment opportunities.

Staff will include Full-time, Part-time, and Contracted Professionals: Horticulturalist & Agriculturist, Chef/Cook, Special Ed/Behaviorist Teachers, Volunteer/Mentor Coordinator, Self-Management/Enrichment Counselors, Diet/Exercise/Nutrition/Wellness Counselor, Life Skills Coaches/Aides, Nurse, D.A.N. Doctors, Grant Writer, Accountant, and Social Event/Transportation Coordinator.

Ongoing Vendor Services from the Regional Center will include: Occupational Therapy, Speech & Language, Behavior Intervention, and Socially Facilitated Individual/Group Consultation.

Adaptive & Independent Living Skills will include: Agriculture/Horticulture, Culinary/Cooking, Computer Lab, Managing their Personal Funds/Banking, Adaptive Recreation, Self Management, and Job Skill Training. Employed Residents will be responsible for managing and overseeing the Community Development Center: Cooking, Cleaning, Organic Farming, Outdoor Picnic & Sports areas, B.B.Q., Pool, Gym, Library, Game Room, Classrooms, Dining, and Laundry.

Clubs will include: Organic, Equestrian, Culinary, Game, Bowling, Book, Performing Arts, Music, Fine Arts, Special Olympics, Science, Current Events/Newsletter, and Electronic Games.

Business Development will include: In addition to residents managing the Community Development Center with the supervision of staff and volunteers, they will also receive ongoing Job Skill Training in order to operate the following For-Profit Businesses:

Advertising & Marketing Department, Billing & Receiving Department

Organic Farming: Vegetable, Fruit, Herb, Flower, and Livestock

Organic GF & CF Health Food Store/Juice Bar/Bistro/Gift Shop/Postal Annex

Library/Book Store/Video/Game Store

Chemical Free Dry Cleaners

Chemical Free Pet Grooming & Dog Walking Services

Full Recycle Center

Art Gallery & Graphic Design Firm

Resource & Wellness Center

Planned Community Year-round:

Ongoing Professional Assessment of its residents to determine needs and skill levels.

Permanent Residence for Adults Living with Autism, Staff, Volunteers/Mentors.

Ongoing Therapy, Organic GF/CF Diet, Nutrition, Exercise, and Treatment.

Community Development Center; Day Program, Recreation Center, Day Care.

Community & Parent Training Workshops.

Ongoing Education, Self-Enrichment, and Job Skill Training & Placement.

Meeting Retreat for Professionals who work with Autistic children and adults.

Mentorship Program for Partners to work side-by-side with residents.

Planned Community Seasonal: During the Summer, the Community Development Center will serve as a weekly Retreat for Families who are impacted by Autism. Our goal is to provide workshops in order to educate parents while their children and/or adults participate in our Day Program and Special Events.

We are confident that this introduction to our Planned Community will not only be an incredible life changing experience for these families but it will inspire them to look to the future and offer valuable input and suggestions to Families for Adults Living with Autism and its Residents.

The Seasonal Family Retreat will include:

Organic Gluten/Casein Free Meals: Breakfast, Lunch, and Dinner.

Arts & Crafts, Science, Games, and Sports.

Educational Parent Workshops: Diet, Nutrition, Exercise, Therapies, and Treatments.

Professional Assessment to determine adult needs and skill level.

Resource & Wellness Center: Library, Testing, GF/CF Cooking Classes, and Treatment.

Entertainment: Concerts/Performances (residents, partners, mentors).

We hope that you will join us in our Partnering efforts to Create a Brighter Future for Children and Adults on the Spectrum.

 © Copyright 2007 Families for Adults Living with Autism. All Rights Reserved

Hey Dana, I am laughing all the way to the bank! Can you say ... BRILLIANT?


"I for one, hope to see this project come to fruition."

Thank you for that, Mary. If it all goes down as you think it might, I am all for it, too. Yes, I did notice the adversarial tone of some of the participants who were not in favor of the project, but I figured that they took the offense because they were outnumbered (I counted the pros & cons; 17 Pro and 6 Con). People also get nervous in public speaking situations, and of course, it is an emotional issue.

In any event, I think that everyone wants the best for our community......it's just that not everyone agrees on what that is!


Mary Ascher said:

“1. I think it is a beautiful example of how private enterprise can flourish while contributing to the needs of the non-profit world.”

Where do you get non-profit world, this project is the antithesis of non-profit?

“2. I agree with those who foresee a time when Princeton will be filled with a lively mix of live-work spaces, shops and restaurants fitting all price ranges.”

What have you against the way Princeton is now, a genuine unique fishing village, without the Starbucks mentality of a corporate landscape?

“I think the design which integrates nature, people, and commerce is innovative and will be exciting to witness.”

How can you say this integrates nature and people and commerce, when in fact it will negatively impact one of the most important shore bird habitats in northern California?

I’m talking about the Pillar Point Marsh and harbor area out to the break water. This Big Wave property was at one time a wetlands habitat and has been seriously compromised by the owners of the property, thru manipulation of the creek flow and elevation of the property landscape thru the guise of farming. This massive project will adversely affect the entire area including Pillar Point Marsh.

“4. I think the idea of the project producing much of its energy and disposing of its waste on-site is creative and will be a sustainable addition to our Coastside. “

We don’t need the generation of any more waste in this area, and therefore do not need any “creative” ways to dispose of it. Zero waste does need to be disposed.


As I read all of this palaver, I wonder, does this blog log constitute a legal audit trail for malfeasance? or mayhem? slander? or other documents of legal import.

Be careful what you say. For many reasons.

It may seem like hilarious fun to you, but hey, Bernie Madoff is in a 8x10 cell with a new friend tonight. For the first time. Think about it. Words matter.

Savvy Sue, I agree with you, all of you might want to calm it down.


Pat,

Since this is just an opinion post, nothing can be resolved (or proven) here. Kim, if you want to be compensated for your ideas, you will have to gather all of your evidence (and energy) for the trial. Have a good attorney. Unfortunately, placing it all on this board doesn't help your case, and won't matter in a court of law.

I would not mind the Wellness Center being here, but NEVER at the expense of the environment, sharing of well water, and increased traffic on our inadequate roads.

I also fear that once you build something like that out here (I have read & seen the plans), there will be no stopping it. I lived over the hill for 30 years - I've seen it happen. Those big boxes proliferate, if given a chance. The organic farm idea is a great one - if all you do is plant the farm there. Forget the buildings.

As far as Kim's "country club" description of Big Wave - that will look really odd next to Pillar Ridge. Look - I have pride in my community - I even created & maintain the website for Pillar Ridge (in English & in Spanish), for free, gratis - because I care about my community. Web Link

But "country club" does not describe us (though we do have a new play yard for the kids).

Yet I like the idea of Big Wave, and Mary's description of it sounds ideal. Yes - let's support the Big Wave project - in Redwood City. Not here. I don't think the mid-coast can handle it. So, put me on the "CON" side, no more growth out here - unless it is flowers or vegetables.


www.pillarridge.com


Good job on the Pillar Ridge website! Web Link


Thanks! It was a labor of love.


Kim, with all of the issues you have with everyone in the world stealing your ideas, are you going to take any of them to court where they belong? Common sense would dictate that this would be your next course of action rather then going over it time and time again in these blogs. It seems you are so obsessed with Half Moon Bay and as others have said, why not work on building your facilities in another location? Or is it that you are in revenge mode because of Jeff Peck's actions? For what its worth, your ideas are admirable and I wish you luck in making your dreams happen, wherever that may be. Oh and leave Dana alone. She has a right to her opinions as well.


Kim, I do think most people, including myself care about what you're doing as its definitely a worthwhile cause. The question is that what would be the most effective way to see your plans come to fruition, whether it be legal action or finding the appropriate community to make it happen. I just don't think HMB is the right place for your dreams.


Christine,

I have already saught legal council. But, I don't understand the rationality of your comment. HMB is not the right place for my dreams but Jeff Peck's and Big Wave Project's are? Those are my dreams not theirs!


To Kim Andersen-Ashburn: Assuming for a moment that all your claims are true, your comments are just that - comments. The only things you may be able to accomplish by repeating and expanding those comments is; the venting of your anger and frustration, and the constant disruption of our attempted dialog on a proposed project in our neighborhood.

We will work through our issues on this, despite your attempts to subvert. You have stated that you want to see the project fail because you feel wronged. That is a very self centered view, and there are some (including me) that do not appreciate it.

With all your talk about DD, and your initial thrust of how caring you are, in the end it would appear that it's all about money to you and for you, at the possible expense of those that this proposed project may help.

You wish to harm others and take their dreams because you feel you were wronged? Shame on you young lady.

If you feel you have something, take it to an attorney and battle it out in court. You'll win nothing here, other than increasing dislike and the questioning of your motives.

Blanketing our blogs with your problems and calling our residents names serves no productive purpose at all.

Furthermore, you may be better served paying more attention to your family. Why not give that a try?


Dana was called away and asked me to pop in here and give a last response to Kim Andersen-Ashburn. She is not getting "out of the kitchen" because she "can't stand the heat" for she told me that she was rather enjoying herself. She's just not close to a computer with an internet connection at the moment.

Dana says she never accused you of googling her. She was advising you that it might be a good idea to do so.

While she may not have done a lot of community service, she has been very busy under another namecaring for the handicapped--possibly longer than you have graced our fine planet!

May your dreams come true, Kim. In the appropriate location.


Paying attention seems to be the issue here.


"I am so happy that Kim has googled my name and knows about my political affiliations! Indeed, I am an Important Person."

Hey Gene, can you say B.S.!

Oh, so Dana has been working with DDs for 36-years without making a dime or having any strings attached? Because that is how long that I have been doing community volunteer work!

Get your facts straight!


Are not the parents and others involved in C-PALS donating time and effort?

Aren't there stay at home moms (and dads) taking care of their DD children right here on the coastside?

Right here on the coastside is where coastside families would like to see their children stay. And they would be a volunteer force to see that their family members remain close by.

How does Kim know who DOES or DOES NOT donate their time and to which causes?


Great!

Then come up with a Plan Design that serves "ALL" with disabilities and stop serving only yourselves and your own children!

SERVE ALL!

That is the message here!


I designed this in December of 2006.

Project A.F.F.E.C.T. Autism

affect: to act upon, to bring about change, to move the feelings of someone.

Align: Partner and form Alliances with National & Global Autism Organizations & Professionals.

Facilitate: Create Focus Groups to aid in Project A.F.F.E.C.T.’s Goals and Mission.

Fund Raise: Attain National Sponsors and create Autism Ad Campaigns to increase Global Awareness.

Educate: Educate Public and Professionals through National and Global Ad Campaigns.

Create: Design and build: Socially Facilitated Recreation Centers.

Non-Profit Resource & Treatment Centers. Permanent Living Communities for Adults on the spectrum. Create Businesses for Profit under the Non-Profit Umbrella that is employed and operated by Spectrum Teens and Adults.

Treat: Increase quality of ongoing Professional Services for all children and adults on the Spectrum; Special Education, Speech Pathology, Occupational Therapy, Psychiatry & Intellectual Development, Behavior Intervention, Adaptive Recreation, Self-Enrichment Skills, Social Interaction Skills, Diet, Nutrition, Exercise, & Treatment, Special Olympic Training, Job Skill Training, and Employment.

I also believe that no child regardless of disability should be turned away!


I was not going to take part in this discussion once I delivered the message (above) but somone just IM-ed me that there had been a response to my post for Dana.

Kim, your post about a plan for "all" fits into what I was going to repond about. You seemed to take my comment about Dana caring for the handicapped as meaning: working with Developmentally Disabled. At least that's what your response sounds like: "Oh, so Dana has been working with DDs for 36-years without making a dime or having any strings attached?"

Dana has not worked with DDs. DDs are not the ONLY "handicapped people" in the world. Or do you disagree with that?

So your statement that to be fair "Big Wave should serve all" would lead me to believe that they should serve those who are paralyzed, blind, amputees etc. as well.

There are all flavors of disablement. Where do we draw the line?

(By the way, I have an autisic person in my family. Fortunately he is considered "borderline" and is functioning in the mainstream classroom.)


I am responding to your baggering or bullying which ever you prefer to call it!

And, City Girl ... you are the one who should seek help! Heeehee!! Grow-up all of you!

Both my twin boys just made Honor Role so bug-off!

As far as Gene, yes I would like to think that ALL people with disabilities could live useful and meaningful lives these projects.

I also have a 30-year-old nephew who has been paralyzed from the waste down for seven years due to M.S. He made the Dean's list and graduated with dual-majors and is working towards his Master.

And, he is also extremely lonely because all of his healthy friends don't have the time nor the patience to include him?

I could see him living in a Live-Work-Green Loft and working in the Graphic Design Firm where he can be around others and interact on a daily basis which he does not have an opportunity of doing so.

My god people ... open your hearts and your minds and get a clue that this in NOT just about YOU but for serving ALL people with disabilities!

None of you seem to want to get it? I think you should all start your own mental support group, god knows you could all use one!


You know, you've just alienated me and thats an incredibly difficult thing to do. As George stated above and I agree, many of us started out giving you the benefit of the doubt but as this has dragged on and on, you've lost credibility and it really does concern me that you've stated you hope the project fails because of how you've been treated. This goes against everything you've been trying to get everyone to agree with as to what you're attempting to do. Our hearts and minds are open, its your delivey Kim, that has become objectional and insulting.


Kim,

I too have sat back and read the posts from both sides of the spectrum. I am not a proponent of Big Wave. I actually would rather not see it built in that area because of issues already discussed. However, I would like to say that I don't think your approach is working well. Your ideas are wonderful and the work you do is admirable but you are making more enemies than friends on this site. This is a community that has a hard time trusting "outsiders" and obviously people are taking exception to posts that you have written. I understand that you feel slighted and used but getting into written arguments with people on a website is not going to help your cause. Just my 2 cents. Thanks


What I stated was, "I want the project to fail for the mere fact that I did not give permission nor did I share my designs and concepts in order to make Big Wave Project into a Private Country Club or to discriminate against others.

Nor did my design include taking monies generated from the for-profit side of the businesses and have one penny be put back into anyone else's pockets, period! The profits generated are to go back into the self-sustainability of the project!"

That is what I said!


Kim,

We all have our own causes that we support, and I have no doubt that everyone who has participated here contributes to make the world a better place in one way or another.

But there is only 24 hours in every day, most of us have to make a living (which is getting tougher for many of us, in the present economy), and life is short - you have to choose your battles. You have chosen your cause, and have put your energy into that. But don't expect everyone here to have the same cause as you. Mine are numerous, and often get me into trouble financially, because I often give too much of what I really don't have.

If we all listed our credits and contributions here, this thread would probably circle the earth :)). Suffice it to say, your cause is to make the world a better place for autistic persons, while another walks for a cure for cancer, another wants to build schools for children in Africa, another for the environment, another for disabled veterans, etc., etc. The list is endless.

I had and have great compassion for your situation, but I also live next to the plot of land that the Big Wave project is supposed to be built on. Unless you actually LIVE here, you can't understand our feelings about it. For my part, then, I wish that you had never given Jeff Peck the idea.


Deb,

Deb,

I agree with you. It is very difficult when so many people are against me and keep questionning my motives while trying to keep my composure. My intentions are not to hurt anyone let alone a person or child with DDs.

I wrote, "After visiting Half Moon Bay and respecting their reservation for their coast and after listening to the many concerned voices of the community, what I invisioned for the Community Development Center is just that. A place where the community can come together and work as one.

Not on the Coast or in your backyard, a CDC that is central to HMB!

Again, I understand where all of you are coming from and you should also respect where I am coming from.

Giving up, means giving up on my son and others like him. And, for a very dedicated mom, it appears to be something that I am incapable of doing.


Kim, I understand the frustration of raising autistic kids. Unfortunately, your ideas are too big and too broad for this community to sustain. We don't have the big bucks to do it. You proposed a five story building with a roof garden. Wonder how that would sit with the folks at Pilar Point?

Dear Kim, AKA Dr. Do-Good, AKA $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Your motives may be grand, but your delivery justs points up your own narcissism. When you start questioning the motives of the people either for or against the project, you are disrespecting their unique contributions to this community. This community volunteers more hours than you can possibly imagine.

In fact, they will soon be contributing more. The only Medical Clinic on the Coastside closed it's doors today- permanently. It is Friday, the 13th, and 1/3 of Half Moon Bay's City employees are getting pink slips, plus the school system. This isn't a great time to give us heat about not caring.

Please let us debate the issue of Big Wave based on our own personal concerns. You have sidetracked us all to our detriment. You don't live here. The folks that do need to have this discussion. Please try to find someone in the Sacramento area to buy into your wonderful proposal. We couldn't possibly rip off all your wonderful ideas- we couldn't afford it.

Prunella


"You nor anyone else is going to tell me to take a hike either!"

"Go eat some prunes, you obviously need it!"

""I want the project to fail for the mere fact that I did not give permission nor did I share my designs and concepts in order to make Big Wave Project into a Private Country Club or to discriminate against others."

"I am responding to your baggering or bullying which ever you prefer to call it!"

"And, City Girl ... you are the one who should seek help! Heeehee!! Grow-up all of you!"

"Both my twin boys just made Honor Role so bug-off!"

"I think you should all start your own mental support group, god knows you could all use one!"

"Then come up with a Plan Design that serves "ALL" with disabilities and stop serving only yourselves and your own children!"

"As far as picking on Dana, she started it."

"Like I say ... if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!"

"What has she done to serve her community and give back or is she a taker too?"

"Pay me a Lump Sum for my ideas that you have incorporated into the Big Wave Project!"

"BUT, I REFUSE to stand by and have a bunch of Pecker-heads claim them as theirs and then turn this into a Private Self-Serving Country Club Model and duplicate it throughout California."

"I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT ... PERIOD!"

"Hey Dana, I am laughing all the way to the bank! Can you say ... BRILLIANT?"

"Hey Dana, how much money is in your wallet?"

"It does not matter what you want."

"Get a life and read some books written by Real Doctors and Real People!"

"Do you think I care what you think?"

These are all quotes on this thread by Kim Andersen-Ashburn, and it is only a partial list. There are a lot of threads on Big Wave. Scroll through them, if this is someone you trust and believe. You will find many more comments just like these.

Lovely, just lovely. And she thinks she's credible? Go ahead, believe her if you dare. I'd rather buy a ticket on the maiden voyage of the Titanic.


Dear folks,

Some of you really need to educate yourselves. We do not refer to people with developmental disabilities as DD's. A person is a person first and thier disability is just something they happen to have.

Whether Big Wave is a good project or not, there clearly needs to be housing on the coast for adults who have developmental disabilities.

The days of putting people with disabilites away in institiutions with back rooms are gone. These young adults deserve to remain in the community in which they have grown up, knowing family and friends.

For those of you so against the Big Wave project I don't hear you coming up with any alternative plans or sites in which this housing could be built. The no-growth bull doesn't work, I have lived in San Mateo County for more then 47 years and have watched the coast grow from a charming little town to a typical suburb with all the new housing and condos there, so unless you stop all the growth how can you be so against housing for people with disabilities.

For those concerned about an airport nearby the proposed project, get over it, it's not like the Half Moon Bay Airport is SFO. Many families of children with autism and other disabilties live right in the path of the huge jets flying over in San Bruno and SSF. Double paned windows work great for that. Of course the housing wouldn't be the right fit for every adult with a developmental disability. Just as not one of you is the same, no person with a disability is the same as another person with a disability. Some people require more care then others that is why there are housing options which include different levels of care for persons with disabilities.

One size does not fit all. Those who talk about the needing parks and green space, well they are nice to look at but have you ever tried to drive a wheelchair over grass? It isn't a very easy thing to do, cement is much easier and safer for someone who uses a wheelchair. For those concerned with isolation, what is more isolating then being shipped off to Napa county to some group home where you don't know anyone and your family is left behind in Half Moon Bay? If you are concerned about the isolation and segragation of people with disabilities, what are you doing to address that. Do you go out of your way to visit and spend time with the young adults on the coast who have a disability, are you their friend.

What is your personal responsibility?

Where is your proposal to house these young adults and sustain thier living situation, while integrating them into the community?

Spend a day shadowing some of these young adults and thier parents and take the time to really get to know what their lives and thier needs are like. Then come back and talk to me.


Dana S. Gray, Kristine (Christine), Kris (Kris), George, Jeff Peck,

When you said that "you liked my energy," it struck a chord and I don't mean in a good way!

That is the Phrase Kris McCann (California Affordable Housing Institute) used to always say to me along with Jeff Peck!

I am sure after getting filled in by your political pals in HMB that they have told you who is really behind Big Wave Project?

In fact, they are the same people who encouraged me to Collaborate with Big Wave Project stating that they had nothing concrete in place on 7/26/07 at 55 Degrees in Sacramento.

Kris McCann and Chuck Gardner took me to dinner that night and promised me that my ideas would not be protected. Rick Rollens was supposed to attend but had a meeting. Anyway, I am sure you have heard of Mike Danneker and Julia Mullen too?

After that conversation, Chuck was meeting with the head of Alta Regional Center, Phil Bonnet to discuss my Model. I asked Ron Huff, CIO of Alta Regional if he and Phil would meet with me to discuss my proposal and he stated that Chuck Gardner had everything under control.

The next thing I know is ... Kris McCann started running all over California launching Non-Profit Housing Corporations. When I asked her why her and Chuck were not helping me, she stated in an email that she does not know anything about setting up Non-Profits when that is what she gets BIG bucks from the government to do!

But, Dana S. Gray, you know all of the politicians so you understand my point here!


Why can't we redirect some of the Moonridge housing to service our seniors and people with developmental disabilities. The housing is already built, centrally located and could make a real difference for our residents.


Mommy Dearest, I meant Mommy Knows Best,

If you have ever been involved in Special Olympics, you would come to know that the children who have Special Needs don't label either, they bond.

They don't care if you are blind, have Cerebral Palsy, Down Syndrome, Autism, Epilepsy, etc... They bond through Sports and interaction. They support one another and truly care. They tell each other jokes and laugh. They comfort one another when one gets hurt.

The older Special Needs children look out for the young and the young look up to the old. It is a truely amazing and lovely relationship. I too at one time in my life thought the same as far as "One Model Does Not Suit All."

But after being involved in Special Olympics over the years, I have come to realize, it is not the label or diagnosis that should seperate these children into adulthood, it is compatability and to me they seem to get along great!

If you started to put these kids into groups based on Diagnosis, it would be tragic and the outcome would be depressing. It is the socialization from all that make witnessing their interaction with one another a very beautiful thing.

It is not easy for these kids to bond but when they do, it brings tears to my eyes knowing that my daughter has been given the opportunity to form long-lasting friendships which she has been able to do because of Special Olympic Sport.

Our Special Need's children deserve the same qualities in life than others. I would not want to live near an airport so why should they be forced to?

Grass is difficult for wheel chairs? Give me a break! My daughter is in a wheel chair and she plays outdoor soccer and I would cringe to think that concrete would be more acceptable to you?

Lady, you are no mommy knows best, you are more like mommy dearest!


"Redirect resources" has a good idea. Instead of building new housing, use what is already built. "mommy knows best" has seen the coast grow in the past 47 years and I have in the past 54 years, since 1955, when I first moved to Pacifica. I recall playing in the gullies which are now neighborhoods with lots of housing, concrete, and the token tree here & there.

There comes a time, however, when growth can choke what's left of what is natural. Our farmlands on the coast are disappearing. I won't be around much longer, but I want to see as much as possible of the natural beauty that the coast has to offer preserved for future generations. That includes special needs children and adults. If given a chance, it will all be gone.


To whoever wrote this: "Why can't we redirect some of the Moonridge housing to service our seniors and people with developmental disabilities. The housing is already built, centrally located"

Isn't Moonridge the development that is south of town near the city limits, sort of hidden up a canyon? How can that be considered centrally located?

Maybe there are seniors and disabled there already? Does anyone know, and since it is so far removed from services does it even matter as far as the discussion here goes?


“They can come over to the "Outdoor Sports Complex" over off 92 as soon as it gets build. Why not add a pool, maybe a spa, or any number of things to make it totally absurdly costly. It is what it is.”

“Airport Noise.They must of been reading the TalkAbout posts from people who live near the airport and complain about the airport noise. Let's see, it is near an airport, think there will be any noise from planes?”

“An outdoor sports complex would be nice, but what is everyone else on the coast doing for exercise since there isn't one now?. The project is what it is. The simple fact is the DD center would not exist if not for the support of the office park. “

“It is, as usual, the blow hards who are older and remember the buggy days.....well, this is the 21st Century, and this place can only draw middle class people with the best properties on the beach already taken. You really are a bunch of punch drunk old geezers...Ms.Wong just is trying to fit in or they might blame Pearl Harbor on you even if you aren't Japanese...How come no Japanese, by the way?”

“And now YOU have a brother with autism you present with such knowing and caring about his future and do not wish to know if this facility might be of help to him? I think you are a phony. We ALL have friends who have autistic members of their families trying to do ANYTHING about it and you want to sit in the sun alone with all the old farts on this board. Inspiring as hell”

“GARBERVILLE? VET? Do you invite him to the beach or are you ashamed of him or do not want to share this paradise? As for Debbie "YOU LIGHT UP MY LIFE" who wants us to feel badly for her uncle or brother because he hates loud cities...pity. Your family has everything from Leprosy, to Beri beri and Pelagra. Tell your brother with two shrinks to loan you one of them. You are a self pitying, pushy and aggressive person who wants everything done to suit you......So do all of us...Just does not work that way. I would be more concerned for those people from the war having nice houses in which to live which they will be able to afford and raise their children in the atmosphere you and the other yacky witch with a hyphenated regal name and no class. The world will grow no matter how long you hold your breath and turn blue and throw tantrums in all of the hospital corridors you must spend your time visiting family. Why not just build a hospital for THEM?”

“Be hearing from you...as for that phony Kim, who cares? A book about MODELING?????? You are TOOOOO ridiculous for words. I say hang her.”

“In case the morons didn't get it, the last question was for Super Wong the champion of all rights....get em Deb”

“She is not getting "out of the kitchen" because she "can't stand the heat" for she told me that she was rather enjoying herself.”

“Lovely, just lovely. And she thinks she's credible? Go ahead, believe her if you dare. I'd rather buy a ticket on the maiden voyage of the Titanic.”

“Those who talk about the needing parks and green space, well they are nice to look at but have you ever tried to drive a wheelchair over grass? It isn't a very easy thing to do, cement is much easier and safer for someone who uses a wheelchair.”

“Kim, do you have a Dr. friend you can talk to? I agree with George, your first posting and comments made me stop and read and wonder if maybe somebody had stepped on toes, but then it got really funny and the posting from you were rather commical.”

“It is just laughable how often people who post anonymously berate others for doing the same. Oh my! Am I doing that now? See what I mean? Why believe anything an anonymous poster puts forth?”

Thanks Dana, you are exactly right why should we listen to Big Waste’s anonymous posters!


Not another Smear Campaign?

You orchestrated that over a year-and-a-half ago on a National basis.

Can't you get more creative than that?

Oh, that is right, I forgot ... if any of you had one creative bone in your bodies, you wouldn't have the need to steal my creativity, now would you?

How silly of me!


What about Beachwood? Nineteen homes are approved on the Beachwood property. The City of HMB is going to own Beachwood. Why not turn the section approved for development into a facility for kids and adults with developmental disabilities? Perhaps the City of HMB could apply for state and federal dollars to build the facility and a park surrounding it.


Projected green energy generation facility at Beachwood:

The importance of social responsibility and environmental integrity cannot be understated. This project will be another step forward in our commitment to powering a greener, emission free future, and, once this local demonstration project is up and running, we aim to replicate this initiative across the country. Funding will come from government grants, experienced entreprenuers and wealthy celebrities.

Beachwood Power Corporation Ltd will provide photo-voltaic panels, which will supply power to the site office as well as the project yard. Speaking on the project, Marina Massara of Beachwood Power Corporation Ltd. said, “We are pleased to partner with PG&E in this project. This is a great example of blending renewable technologies to create synergies and fully sustainable power solutions. Mainstream renewable technologies like wind and solar are key to secure energy supplies and combating the climate change challenge.”

The installed panels will be approximately equivalent to a 10KVA diesel generator set. On an average a 10 KVA diesel set runs for 20 hours a day incurs annual operation and maintenance cost of Rs 4 lakh, while the cost of the solar panels and installations is about Rs 4.5 lakh. The project pays for itself approximately in a year’s time.

The 80-MW Beachwood Power Corporation Ltd Solar Farm, will be located near Half Moon Bay, California, on land that was once slated for intensive urban development. "We're pretty confident that solar farms on this scale are going to have an industry-changing impact. We think it's the wave of the future. This scale of project, I think, creates a tipping point for renewable energy," said Billy Bones, the CEO of Beachwood Power Corporation Ltd.

Upon completion, Bones hopes to sell the solar-generated energy (enough to supply 21,000 homes, he claims) to Montara Water and Sanitary District. This public agency is responsible for maintaining approximately twenty-five miles of sewer line and thirteen pump stations. In 1992, the District, through special State legislation, was granted the powers of a county water district. This was done in an effort to improve the water supply and service provided by the private water company serving the area then known as Citizens Utilities Company of California. August 1, 2003, the district acquired and began operating the water system. Today MWSD is in the process of branching out into the energy generation sector so that they will become a "one stop shop" for local residents. In order to avoid issuing bonds to finance this project they have partnered with experienced entreprenuers and wealthy celebrities as well as applying for grants in order to form Beachwood Power Corporation Ltd, a 501c3 corporation.


To start, the idea of MWSD branching out sends chill up my spine. They can't handle what they're charged to do, and you propose a wider net? Phooey.

Then, you put me into cardiac arrest with this. "...said Billy Bones, the CEO of Beachwood Power Corporation Ltd."

Yeeoww. Giddyup.

Is Marina Massara any relation to Mark? If so, three strikes and YOU'RE OUTTA HERE!

The rest went over my head. Can't handle thirty dollar words. Makes me think, or hope, that you're just pulling our collective legs.


Big Wave Project,

If I am such a liar, a phony, a looney, then I challenge you to share your 2,000+ page Detailed Plan with the Community of Half Moon Bay and let them decide whether or not what I am stating is the truth and nothing but the truth?

When Mary mentioned Live-Work-Lofts, I have not read that and she claims to know Jeff Peck and Steve Barber personally.

Show Half Moon Bay all of your plans and who your backers are and put everything on the table for everyone to see.

Like I said, if I am wrong ... I will happily go away!


Kim's right!

Show us the 2000 page detailed plan so we can make an educated decision! We need to know tha facts.


Just got this from the head of our HOA:

"Attached are recent letters to the county re the Big Wave facilities plan from Committee for Green Foothills (CGF) and the Midcoast Community Council (MCC).

See the whole Big Wave Facilities Plan here:

Web Link

The County is in the process of preparing an Environmental Impact Report (EIR) for this project, which will include an analysis of environmental impacts. There will be public hearing and opportunity for written comment at that time."


Perfect! Put the Beachwood Power Corporation Ltd solar panels on top of the Beechwood wellness center for Developmentally Disabled. This way clean energy is paying for the operation of the center rather than dirty office park politics (with huge traffic component).

It is a WIN-WIN....


If a man with a dev. disabled daughter wants to plan a new, creative, possibly impossible, never been done, just might fail live work complex to deliver services and living arrangements to those who CHOSe to be there, why not let him? Is someone else fighting or paying for the land? Does someone else have a proposed alternative in the mix? What if...What if he does it and it failes miserably then we all learn a lesson, we grow as a community. If he suceeds it offers another means for people to have a life, a life they enjoy and feel good about. This is some seriously ridiculous BS on here.

I am not all for nor all against, but let the people run with what they believe in, it is their money, their kids. Let them dream, allow them to fulfill their dreams.

As far as development, it can be developed wisely, there is plenty of open space left.

I feel for the developmentally disabled who don't seem to have any say in all of this. Has anyone asked them what they want? where they want to live? what they see their future being? What dreams they have?


When I spoke with Kimberly Brennan on 7/24/07, Big Wave had just submitted paperwork for their 501(c) 3. Kimberly commented that they were having difficulties with Coastal Zoning and Permits and that is why I suggested Going Green 100%. The prior 2-3 years they formed an Advisory Board. Jeff Peck also confirmed that this is what he had in place on 10/23/07 when he visited my home to discuss my collaboration with Big Wave Project.

The Business Park included: Pet Grooming, Laundry Service Rental, Store Front Rentals, Storage Unit Rentals, and a Wetland Plant Nursery.

Residential included: 18 Unit/2-Bedroom Condos for low-income disabled.

Vocational Training: Job Training and Job Placement.

Wellness Center: Nothing concrete and 10-years down the road.

Community Building: Restaurant and Movie Theatre.

What they have now after my Nine-Month-Collaboration: Going Green 100% on every aspect of planning from Building to Businesses, Self Sustainable Organic Farming, Live-Work Green Office Condos, Commercial Kitchen with Learning Stations, Classrooms for Adaptive Education & Self-enrichment, Mentorship Program for the Arts and Entertainment, Recreation Center, Health & Fitness Center with Pool, Locker Rooms, Gymnasium with full Basketball Court and Stage, Pool, Library, Full-Recycle Center, Dog Walking, Organic Market, Deli, Bakery, and a Big Wave Store, and expansion of Rentals in order to increase funding.

Basically, if you look at what they had in place prior to 7/24/07 and compare it to what they have in place now, "My ideas, vision, and creativity is very Revolutionary!”

Also, I would like to know the full-details of the Businesses that will be owned by its residents to ensure that these are not my Business Concepts as well!


Hi Kim!

These are great ideas!! My company (Off Base Productions) actually wrote the strategy guide for Guitar Hero 2!!! (We work with BradyGames to publish video game strategy guides.) We have a lot of contacts in the game industry - I’ll talk to Greg (my partner) and pass on your ideas!! Thanks again, k

Kimberly Brennan, Communications Director

Big Wave Group

1333 Jones Street, Ste. 307

San Francisco, CA 94109

Phone / Fax: 415.931.9085

kimberly@bigwaveproject.org / www.bigwaveproject.org

From: Kim Andersen-Ashburn [mailto:kimandersen@surewest.net]

Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 5:19 AM

To: Jeff Peck

Cc: kimberly@bigwaveproject.org

Subject: Business Concepts & Raising Funds

Importance: High

Hi Jeff & Kimberly,

Some of the ideas that I came up with for the Big Wave is:

Big Wave Project (sell products online and create a Big Wave Store):

T-Shirts, Key-chains, a Man's Tie (local designer), Pins, Necklaces, Bracelets, etc...

The other idea that I have to raise a lot of money involves Neil Young.

My son and others on the spectrum love to play Guitar Hero. I thought that Neil Young could contact Sony Computer Entertainment and they could sponsor a Concert or a Televised Fundraiser Benefit/Telethon on behalf of the Big Wave Project.

Gibson, ActiVision, Dolby, RedOctane, Sony Entertainment, and Guitar Hero can also Sponsor the Concert Series.

Artists that appear on the Guitar Hero Label can perform live. Autistic kids, teens, and adults can be playing guitar hero in the background.

Guitar Hero has National and possibly Global Competitions. I don't know if this will be part of the Electronic Game Competition in the Olympics or not?

I hope some of these ideas will help your cause.

Let me know what I can do to help you?

Kindest regards,

Kim Andersen-Ashburn


Not sure if I get what the above is about. Is it a copy of your email correspondence with Peck and Brennen?

Of what look like your suggestions, did the Big Wave people take your idea about getting Neil Young and Sony to raise the money? If they get all that money they will have a lot of power and will ultimately get to build.

Have you contacted the producers of Guitar Hero with your study on how it helps the autistic?


I have a question for all of the so called experts, parents, developers and the like...have you asked the developmentally disabled young adults what their goals in life are or where they want to live?

Some of them actually do have opinions and dreams for themselves. I am a bit tired of the repeated BS on this page about what is best for them. We actually don't really know sh*t about how they want to live.


Table 7.1.2 in the Big Wave Facilities Plan estimates the development would bring 3787 additional car trips to Airport Rd. per day.

Web Link


"I have a question for all of the so called experts, parents, developers and the like...have you asked the developmentally disabled young adults what their goals in life are or where they want to live?

Some of them actually do have opinions and dreams for themselves. I am a bit tired of the repeated BS on this page about what is best for them. We actually don't really know sh*t about how they want to live."

Good point,insanityrageson. So instead of wasting time on uniformed opinions about the flea in the room - the tiny portion of this project dedicated to the DD residences - let's talk about the woolly mammoth in the room, the 300,000 sq/ft commercial office park.

Have an educated opinion on that?


I just watched the movie, "Flash of Genius" with Greg Kinnear and it was ... to say the least ... very enlightening!

Dr. Robert Kearns was a Dreamer, an Inventor, a Visionary, an Ordinary Man, a Father, and a loyal Friend. He faught to protect his dream and to tell the real truth even when others tried to confuse his "Passion" with slander and insanity!

I highly recommend that everyone watch this movie. In the meantime, I will be writing to Mr. Kinnear and share my real story!

Half Moon Bay needs to support those who are honest people like myself and Dr. Robert Kearns and stop those who are not!

Please help me fight for what is ethical, moral, and right! Not only for my son but for the millions of others with disabilities!


We have no idea if it is an authentic view of a high-performing person with autism, but we were taken with the creatively-crafted account of a teen-age boy in BenX.


"They paved paradise and put up a parking lot." Joni Mitchell

SEVEN (7) Acres will be devoted to Parking!!

Holy Cow! I'm not making this up!

That is from the CEQUA portion of the BIG WAVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.


"They paved paradise and put up a parking lot." Joni Mitchell

SEVEN (7) Acres will be devoted to Parking!!

Holy Cow! I'm not making this up!

That is from the CEQUA portion of the BIG WAVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.


correction CEQU

Here is the link: Web Link


....and BIG headaches for the rest of us.

They are masquerading as a Charity...

I wish they would build a "Wellness Center" but it's all about building on 19 acres in a Tsunami & Earthquake zone! And making money for their pockets.


"I wish they would build a "Wellness Center"

Not really. The so called "wellness center" is a condominium development for people who are willing to take out a mortgage. They may or may not be Developmentally Disabled - who is going to enforce it?

The "Wellness" may be only referring to health of the profit made by the developers...


Big Wave is a Big Plus for our Coastal Community. Please support Big Wave.


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