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They got nothin'

The pro-fetus/anti-fact bunch waste more of our time and money with their little witch hunt hobby.

Web Link planned-parenthood-did-nothing-wrong-investigation-was-a-sham/

nComing next will be a GOP committee digging into Benghazians soliciting abortions via unofficial email servers.


What? A bunch of crooks being crooked? Who'da thunk?

p.s., The Dems do similar (OK, exactly the same) kinda cr@p.

Really? When was the last time Dems went after women and the poor's health access?

Wait, don't tell me - during the Civil Wat.

Wat? War.

"Women's health access" is liberal-speak for taxpayer-funded abortions.

Only about 3% of what PP does is abortion-related and NONE of those abortions are funded by your tax money. Ever.

And as a nice way to tell the War on Women advocates in the GOP to go BLEEP themselves, PP just announced they will take no money for the fetal tissue they provide to research.

Now, go BLEEP yourself for being such an ignoramus and buying into the hate and bile spewed by the other ignoramuses.

I'm accepting of abortion up to the first trimester but let's be honest: That "97%" of other services (an inflated number) have been shown to be primarily incidental to the main event. I.e. while women are there for an abortion they also get blood pressure measured, temperature taken, breast exam, pills, condoms, etc etc. This has already been discussed.

And good that Planned Parenthood will take no money for baby organs. It's about time. It was a mistake in the first place.

PS to Coasters - As Robin Williams once told Jack Nicholson: "Up your dosage." :-)

Planned Parenthood is one of the best things to come out of the Age of Aquarius. Better even than velcro.

Well, Uff, we all know how that went for Robin Williams.

If the religious right would just clean out their own house and stop telling us what to do with our bodies, we would all breathe more easily. My philosophy is this: I am pro-life, pro-family and pro-choice. Nuff said.

Problem is, that's the baby's body, not the mother's.

Many or most of us accept killing a baby before it has a chance to develop much. After some point it's not acceptable barring exceptional circumstances.

The fetus is not a baby. You're using language that is not scientifically accurate. A fetus is essentially a parasite within a host. It has no more viability to live outside the host as a cancer tumor, until it has matured for many, many months.

The folks railing against PP are the same folks who vote down spending on education and health. They are hypocrites. They do NOT care about fetuses and babies.

So let's get to the REAL: "conservative" motive for targeting PP:

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The spokeswoman for Citizens for a Pro-Life Society explained why evangelicals, the personhood movement, anti-choice fascists, Catholic bishops, and their Republican facilitators are so intent on destroying Planned Parenthood, and it is not about banning abortion or protecting zygotes and fetuses. Monica Miller is one of this weekend’s ‘harass Planned Parenthood” rally organizers who was honest and angry when she said,

“Planned Parenthood from the top to the bottom is a corrupt organization… corrupt in its view of the sanctity of life and corrupt in its view of human sexuality. I say even if Planned Parenthood didn’t perform one single abortion, just the mere fact that its sexual ethic is corrupted means right there, should be the reason right there, that they should not receive any federal money. The kind of sexual ethic that Planned Parenthood promotes is sex for recreation, sex for mere pleasure.”

Sex "for mere pleasure" is the real enemy! Those wicked, wicked women who enjoy sex!!

1. You quote an extremist's extremist who in no way represents average Republicans, and try to pretend she does. One need not be an extremist to criticize the managers of Planned Parenthood when they deserve it..

2. Really? An unborn baby/fetus = a parasite? Do you have even a shred of empathy? Wait, don't answer that.

3. Why would it be "viability" that determines whether we can actively kill a human? It's a crime to disconnect an adult's oxygen or iron lung for example if the result would kill him. After a baby has developed enough, what is the difference?

Hi - putting religion and emotions aside, legally since we have not adopted "personhood" for a fetus or subscribed to the Catholic "life begins at conception" rhetoric, as of today, life begins at birth. I'm a paralegal who has worked in the court system for 20 years and I know what the law says on the topic. Life begins at birth. Look it up.

In observing this thread and trying to keep up I see alleged 'facts', comments stated as factual, with no support.

Example: "That "97%" of other services (an inflated number) have been shown to be primarily incidental to the main event. I.e. while women are there for an abortion they also get blood pressure measured, temperature taken, breast exam, pills, condoms, etc etc. This has already been discussed."

That particular comment is from uff (above). uff, would you please be so kind as to provide appropriate documentation to support your claim - specifically these part; 1) (an inflated number) / please explain and support with facts 2) incidental to the main event / what is the "main event"? & again, would you please support your claim. It doesn't make any sense.

It appears that you claim most (maybe all?) PP patients come in for abortions and as prep have their vitals taken when we all know that is not the case ... not even remotely close. So perhaps you can clear that up a bit with more definitive language and sourced facts. 3) "This has all been discussed." As if that then wipes all discussion off the table; it doesn't.

"This", as you call it, has been discussed ... for decades, maybe even hundreds of years, maybe even since the very first pregnancy. "This", as you call it, seems to encompass quite a broad range of points. Maybe you could tidy up your definition of "This"?

Thank you.

You could have found this yourself. The point is, no one really knows because PP won't release data but the numbers are definitely skewed.

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The Pinocchio Test

The 3 percent figure that Planned Parenthood uses is misleading, comparing abortion services to every other service that it provides. The organization treats each service — pregnancy test, STD test, abortion, birth control — equally. Yet there are obvious difference between a surgical (or even medical) abortion, and offering a urine (or even blood) pregnancy test. These services are not all comparable in how much they cost or how extensive the service or procedure is.

The 94 percent figure that Susan B. Anthony List uses also is misleading, comparing abortion services to two other types of services that pregnant women receive through Planned Parenthood. But we don’t know how many pregnant women Planned Parenthood serves every year or how many they refer to private providers for prenatal care, because the organization does not report that information.

With limited data, there is no accurate way to measure how much of Planned Parenthood’s activities comprise abortions. Both sides are using meaningless and incomplete comparisons to make their argument, and the public should be wary of both figures. Thus, both receive Three Pinocchios.

While Planned Parenthood has no legal obligation to make its data more public, it is unfortunate that the public has limited access to data about the organization. Planned Parenthood could end the speculation–and Pinocchios–by providing a more transparent breakdown of its clients, referrals and sources of revenues.

^^^ I'm a paralegal who has worked in the court system for 20 years and I know what the law says on the topic. Life begins at birth. Look it up. ^^^

That has never been adjudicated or addressed by the Supreme Court. Look it up.

Furthermore, this fight isn't about abortion, it's about public funding of abortions and the unsavory practices of PP.

Those opposed to abortion -- for any reason -- are right when they demand that federal law be followed and federal funds not be used for abortions. Even under Obamacare (which should obviate the need for phony "women's health" clinics like PP). Just ask former congressman Bart Stupak, D-MI(01).

"That has never been adjudicated or addressed by the Supreme Court. Look it up."

You are correct. The Supreme Court has never addressed it and it is not adjudicated. Fact. Nothing to look up.

Planned Parenthood has always maintained no federal funds are used for abortions. No one has been able to prove otherwise. Case closed.

^^^ No one has been able to prove otherwise. Case closed. ^^^

Not so fast. For one, as "uffish thought" noted, PP is not transparent enough to verify that claim. For another, there are only two ways to be certain that federal funds are not used to provide abortions: 1)fund only those "women's health" organizations that don't perform abortions, or 2)don't provide federal funds to any organizations that perform abortions, no matter what fraction that is of the services they provide.

It should also be noted that PP doesn't need any federal funding at all. They can get by with the private funding they receive.

One would think that the same old folks would tire of going over the same old ground, taking their same old stance and regurgitating their sam old distortions.

Roe v Wade is done, over, in the rear-view by a long shot. Planned Parenthood provides a plethora of services for a great many. We've been through this, over it and all over it countless times; but that doesn't seem to matter to the same old folks.

The GOP has collapsed. There is not a leader in the bunch - anywhere. The back biting and infighting going on within the republican party passed embarrassing months ago - and while Rome burns to the ground (read GOP demise), Nero (continues to play the fiddle.

I guess civilly discussing the disappearance of the middle class, the driving force of any economy, isn't important for our future. I guess civilly discussing restructuring the US Tax Code is another waste of time. It appears education is merely a sideshow. Better jobs, with better wages, better benefits and room for growth don't stack up against real issues like demonizing Planned Parenthood, or reneging on the Iran nuclear deal, or dismantling Obamacare like York dismantled the Niners last year.

The republican 'leadership' (oxymoron) isn't even a joke anymore - it is a sad reality and we can get a very good sense of why right here on this thread.

Some would much prefer to sit in judgment of others and the choices others make, regardless of the facts and pressing issues, so they can apparently feel better about themselves - so long as it is at someone else's expense. The facts don't matter.

What a sorry existence and pitiful excuse for life those few that just want to argue have. They will chase their own tails all day every day and try to get others to join them in being the fool.

internet troll; In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement.

"Internet Trolls Are Narcissists, Psychopaths, and Sadists" / "Trolls will lie, exaggerate, and offend to get a response.", Web Link

"In this month's issue of Personality and Individual Differences, a study was published (link is external) that confirms what we all suspected: Internet trolls are horrible people."

"Let's start by getting our definitions straight: An Internet troll is someone who comes into a discussion and posts comments designed to upset or disrupt the conversation. Often, in fact, it seems like there is no real purpose behind their comments except to upset everyone else involved. Trolls will lie, exaggerate, and offend to get a response."

Please seek help, lots of help. And in the meantime, quadruple your dosage. If you have any questions on that (dosage), give Cosby a call. Maybe he'll take you out for dinner and a 'drink' and help you find that 'happy place' you so desperately need.

"What kind of person would do this?" Good question. "Some Canadian researchers decided to find out."

"They conducted two online studies with over 1,200 people, giving personality tests to each subject along with a survey about their Internet commenting behavior. They were looking for evidence that linked trolling with the "Dark Tetrad" of personality traits: narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy, and sadism."

"They found that Dark Tetrad scores were highest among people who said trolling was their favorite Internet activity. To get an idea of how much more prevalent these traits were among Internet trolls, see this figure from the paper:"

"Look at how low the Dark Tetrad scores are for everyone except the trolls! Their scores for all four traits soar on the chart. The relationship between trolling and the Dark Tetrad is so significant that the authors write in their paper:"

"... the associations between sadism and GAIT (Global Assessment of Internet Trolling) scores were so strong that it might be said that online trolls are prototypical everyday sadists." [emphasis added]"

"Trolls truly enjoy making you feel bad. To quote the authors once more (because this is a truly quotable article): "Both trolls and sadists feel sadistic glee at the distress of others. Sadists just want to have fun ... and the Internet is their playground!"

"The next time you encounter a troll online, remember:"

"These trolls are some truly difficult people."

"It is your suffering that brings them pleasure, so the best thing you can do is ignore them."

Have a nice day.

>>"PP is not transparent enough..."

Nice try, but no.

Any health organization accepting federal funding must submit an annual report and be federally audited by the IRS. You'll find PP's reports here:

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That's as transparent as it gets. And in the nearly 40 years since federal funding for abortion was banned... not once has Planned Parenthood been federally charged with violating that ban. Not once.

Of course, right-winning domestic terrorism against Planned Parenthood -- in the form of clinic bombings and arson -- is nowhere to be found on the Conservative Outrage list. The right's concern for life at Planned Parenthood is very, very selective.

"Roe v Wade is done, over, in the rear-view by a long shot. Planned Parenthood provides a plethora of services for a great many. We've been through this, over it and all over it countless times; but that doesn't seem to matter to the same old folks."

Truer words have not been spoken here BUT as long as the Republican and the Southern Baptists think they can force their morality code on all of us, there will continue to be that discussion. Has anyone followed what some Southern states are trying to do? Imposing such strict standards on clinics that they are forced to close. Last I heard the State of Texas lost so many facilities that it makes it almost impossible for women to receive any kind of health care, not just abortions. My last thought on the subject before I sign off is this: Let the religions control their own populations and leave the rest of us heathens out of it. There is a very good reason why government should not meddle in religious affairs. It's not good for religion and it's not good for government.

To your point, Monica: "Texas Pulls Medicaid Funding for Planned Parenthood After Probe", Web Link

"Texas became the latest and biggest U.S. state to cut off funding for Planned Parenthood, saying the women’s health group is no longer eligible for Medicaid payments."

"The state said Monday that Planned Parenthood had run afoul of the law for selling fetal tissue recovered during abortions. The inspector general’s office at the Texas Health and Human Services Commission has been investigating the group in connection with an undercover video revealing the practice."

So these "undercover videos", which turned out to be altered and adjusted hacks (at best) are good enough for those that want to believe and women in Texas will now pay the cost.

Your closing comment is spot on. There was a time when to find proof, one had to look across the pond. Not anymore. It's right here at home and it is wrong.

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