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An undocumented Worker Employed by The Donald Speaks-out

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How nice. Another family of illegal aliens that scammed the US taxpayer. All those kids had to be educated and had their health care paid for too.

This "Ricardo" person is squatting on a job that an American could have. He has no right to that job and he and his whole family should go home. The hotel needs to face the music for hiring illegals also. I hope this is a severe embarrassment for Donald Trump.


Ricardo represents a significant percentage of the American work force. If Donald makes America "great again" it will be on their backs, employing them while vilifying them.


He's not American, he's breaking the law along with the rest of his unwelcome family, and he doesn't belong here.

If we need foreign workers we will bring them in legally. He can also wait in line like everyone else and not be an @sshole.

It not up to Ricardo to dictate US immigration policy. People who force themselves on others are not the kind of people we want.

What is wrong with people who think this invasion by foreign invaders is in any way OK? It is not.


Hiring illegal immigrants can lead to many severe penalties, such as:

Criminal and civil fines

Loss of business licenses

Most fines are broken down to the following:

First offenders can be fined $250-$2,000 per illegal employee.

For a second offense, the fine is $2,000-$5,000 per illegal employee.

Three or more offenses can cost an employer $3000-$10,000 per illegal employee. A pattern of knowingly employing illegal immigrants can mean extra fines and up to six months in jail for an employer.

This does not include “harboring” illegal immigrants, or employing ten or more illegal immigrants in one year. Harboring an illegal immigrant can lead to ten years of prison time.

Additionally, employers should be aware of the Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act. Employers can be sued under the act for hiring illegal immigrants, and can face large settlement deals.

I wonder how many illegal "squatters" work for Trump


I don't know but Trump and/ or his companies should pay the price along with everyone else who hires an illegal. And this illegal braggart needs to be gone yesterday. Out on his ear.


Who here has a gardening service? A cleaning service? Are they all legal? How do you know? Have you checked their IDs?

I do and there's no reason you can't too. If they cannot prove they're legal they don't work, period.

Besides you really ought to know who is coming on your property.


^^^ Hiring illegal immigrants can lead to many severe penalties, such as: ^^^

Of course, it takes an administration that respects our laws enough to enforce them. We don't have that at the moment. But things can change.


Yes, no question about it, America's most urgent need is to get intelligent, responsible, hardworking, articulate, devout, education-driven, college-educated, America-loving young people like Ricardo to leave this country as quickly as possible. It's a true crisis. And we should definitely not give him any path or hope of citizenship. Clearly he has nothing to contribute to our society.

And merely by virtue of having been brought here as a kid and being illegal defintely makes him an "@sshole"... although he certainly hides it well.

Yeah, right.

Uffish, this fine young man is not "squatting on a job that an American could have"... ask any employer in the hospitality, agriculture or food industries and they'll tell you that Americans don't want these jobs, not even at twice the hourly salary. Immigration crackdowns in Alabama and Georgia have absolutely devastated agriculture there because family farms can't find people willing to work for them: Web Link

"...millions of dollars worth of crops rot every year because we don’t have the workers to pick them."

And Franny, I know this will be a tough concept for you to grasp, but the president's long list of responsibilities does not include enforcing the law. The people who do that are called police officers. And they don't much care for these immigration laws either... in fact, they are demanding (successfully) that they be eased or repealed. Here's why: Web Link


Not that a snarky washed up sportscaster acting like a punk deserves a response, but most 4th graders learn that the executive branch is responsible for enforcing our laws. Even clowns with a phone and pen that happen to become president are responsible for ensuring their administration enforces the law.


Sorry Mike but publicly thumbing his nose at the country his family invaded makes him an @sshole.

Mexico doesn't tolerate it. Why should we? That is not a rhetorical question.

Tell us Mike why you think the USA shouldn't be allowed to set and enforce its own immigration policies. Why do you think that should be up to "Ricardo" and his clan?


Ah, Franny, evidently you never got to that 4th grade class, you speak of. The nation's highest law enforcement officer is the Attorney General. Not the president. The president doesn't even have powers of arrest. He's an administrator. Thus the term "administration."

Sigh. It's always the boy in the back row who doesn't get it.

As for being a "washed up sportscaster"... I'd be happy to tell you why I decided to stop interviewing jocks and working for media muppets in order to launch my own company back in the 1990s, but you wouldn't be able to handle the math. Too many beautiful zeroes.


Beautiful zeros:

Gross profit - 0

Net profit - 0

Income - 0

just kidding...


BTW the Attorney General is appointed by the President and works in the President's administration.


Apparently, washed up sportscasters don't know that the Attorney General is part of the Obama Administration.

I couldn't care less why you're washed up, but it is noteworthy to hear you brag about profiting handsomely from spinning lies.

^^^ Tell us Mike why you think the USA shouldn't be allowed to set and enforce its own immigration policies. ^^^

Did I miss something, or did Mike Gaynes avoid that question?


He dodged it alright.


^^^ He dodged it alright. ^^^

Maybe he's "focus grouping" his response.

I find it stunning that some will try to silence or ridicule Americans that want to have a say in American immigration policy.

It's as though they think they're Democrats or something.


Breaking News:

"THE HAMPTONS (The Borowitz Report)—They don’t pay taxes. They circumvent our laws. They get free stuff from the government. They are America’s billionaires, and many would like to see them gone.

According to a new survey by the University of Minnesota’s Opinion Research Institute, the American people hold the nation’s billionaires in lower esteem than ever before, and a majority would like to see new laws enacted to deport them.

“They come here, take thousands of our jobs, and export them overseas,” one respondent said, in an opinion echoed by many others in the survey.

“They are part of a shadow economy that sucks billions of dollars out of the United States every year and puts it in Switzerland and the Caymans,” another said.


uffish, inventing quotes in my name is seriously lame. Where did I say "the USA shouldn't be allowed to set and enforce its own immigration policies"? You just made that up out of thin air.

We DO set policies. You just don't like them, or how they are enforced.

But you don't really have anything at stake, do you? Certainly not your family's livelihood.

Please, hop in your California Wealthy car and drive down to Georgia to tell a fourth-generation American family farmer -- with your full smug self-righteousness on display -- that illegals are bad for America and he deserves to be forced out of business because he couldn't get illegal workers anymore and nobody legal will pick crops. Good luck with that conversation.

And since you brought up the non-rhetorical question... if you are seriously advocating that we use Mexico's government and laws as an example for ANYTHING we do, I think you are completely out of your tree. Mexico's corruption-ridden government long ago lost control of its own legal system. And Mexico's immigration crisis is WAY worse than ours -- people are flooding in from Central America and being killed, mutilated and kidnapped by the hundreds -- and the government can't handle it, so they've turned to the US for help: Web Link

Yeah, Mexico's policy is working just great. Let's adopt that right away.

Oy vey.


Stop it, Boney. You'll distract the chicken little' s from the distraction! Let's go after the least powerful in our society so don't have to think about the consequences of a Trump presidency.


The day I feel the need to "dodge" you, uffish... please.

It's just that running a company doesn't always allow me to immediately respond. Maybe you and Franny wouldn't know about that?


Mike, you're so easy to debate. First, you chose to make pointless comments about another poster rather than answer my question.

Second, your next comment was bashing me, as though I drive expensive cars and should feel guilty (I don't buy new or expensive cars so that's a no, and a no way to the "guilt").

>>Where did I say "the USA shouldn't be allowed to set and enforce its own immigration policies"? You just made that up out of thin air.<<

You're defending illegal aliens. Enough said.

>>you don't really have anything at stake, do you? Certainly not your family's livelihood.<<

Do you understand how many people are out of work? Do you understand how the unchecked flow of unskilled labor affects our nation's poor. This Ricardo illustrates how many jobs they're are that aren't farm workers.

As I've said multiple times, pay legal farm workers a lot more for that work. A 40% increase in pay only results in a 4% increase in the retail cost of produce.

>>We DO set policies. You just don't like them, or how they are enforced.<<

Well DUH. We have reasonable policies that are not being enforced. There aren't really laws without enforcement, wouldn't you say?

So back to the question (massaged slightly for Mike's sensitivities):

==>> Why shouldn't the USA be allowed to set and enforce its own immigration policies. Why should that be up to "Ricardo" and his clan?


Do you understand how many people are out of work? Do you understand how the unchecked flow of unskilled labor affects our nation's poor. This Ricardo illustrates how many jobs they're are that aren't farm workers.

None of this is going to happen anyway. No one is going to deport 11 million people. It's as ridiculous as saying you'll confiscate 300 million guns.

It makes good grist for the "conservative" agenda that includes the War On Women, War with Iran, denying AGW and making sure billionaires are safe to squeeze the middle class for more.

"Conservatives". LOL!!!


>>No one is going to deport 11 million people.<<

Who said we were?

But we can make it hard for them to get work and benefits so they return to their own countries.

How hard is that?


==>> Why shouldn't the USA be allowed to set and enforce its own immigration policies. Why should that be up to "Ricardo" and his clan?

No one wants to take a shot at this?


^^^ No one wants to take a shot at this? ^^^

It might be too close to the topic at hand. But not for Professor Eastman, who comments on "Birthright Citizenship": Web Link

It's important to know two things when reading the 14th Amendment. First, immigration was not regulated at the time of its adoption. Second, it was never intended to do away with sovereignty.

You may get some more answers after the far-Left gets its talking points in order. Or, they'll continue to argue that since we can't do everything we must do nothing as "Coasters" continues to do. I sure wish it would read that recent column by the great Thomas Sowell.


I did answer your question, uffish. And you ducked my answer. You couldn't form a cogent reply, so you chose to be completely non-responsive with "You're defending illegal aliens. Enough said." Yes, it's very easy to debate... by not debating.

The simple fact is that the US is DEFINITELY "allowed to set and enforce its own immigration policies." There are hundreds of immigration laws on the books, and thousands of people are arrested every year for violating them. Those laws and their enforcement are not made nonexisstent by your belief that we need more of both.

>>"This Ricardo illustrates how many jobs they're are that aren't farm workers."<<

Read much? Then perhaps you overlooked my previous mentions of the hospitality and food industries. Yes, there are lots of hotel dishwashers and chicken-processing workers who aren't legal.

This one is an absolute beauty:

>>"....pay legal farm workers a lot more for that work. A 40% increase in pay only results in a 4% increase in the retail cost of produce."<<

Are you really not aware of the cluelessness in that second sentence? That's EXACTLY why small farmers are driven out of business and forced to sell to farming conglomerates... they can't get sufficiently higher prices for their crops in the field to cover the additional labor costs. Only large farming companies, with their economies of scale, can pass along enough of the increase to the consumer to afford that.

And at the family-farmer level, your scenario is pure fantasy. There ARE no "legal" farm workers to pay. As I said above, Americans won't do farm labor, not at 40% higher wages or 100% higher wages. Did you not read my previous link? Millions of dollars worth of crops are literally rotting in the fields because nobody legal wants these jobs at any price. One farmer on 60 Minutes a couple of years ago displayed his ad for workers offering $20 an hour, or more than double the going rate. There was one taker, and he quit the first morning... too hard. Alabama farmers describe their problem: Web Link. Here's a similar account from a dairy owner: Web Link.

Yes, the same applies to small family restaurants, independent Midwest processing plants, horse farms and Motel 6's, but the farmers have it the worst. These are AMERICAN businesses surviving on the thinnest of margins. They're America too. And they're the people that are ignored by smug, superior, clean-hands conservatives who have no idea what it's like to put in 12-14 hours a day, seven days a week to make a go of the family farm your grandfather first planted.


Quote from the Alabama story:

"After his Hispanic workers left with the passage of Alabama’s new immigration law, he thought he’d recruit unemployed U.S. citizens to pick the tomatoes. However, “jobless resident Americans lack the physical stamina and the mental toughness to see the job through,” Spencer told the Associated Press."


^^^ I did answer your question, uffish. And you ducked my answer. ^^^

Actually, you didn't. In fact, this was your reply:

It's just that running a company doesn't always allow me to immediately respond. Maybe you and Franny wouldn't know about that?

Nice touch on that last sentence. That's really clever, especially for someone of your ilk. At the very least, it makes you stand out.

As for enforcing our existing immigration laws, we don't and we haven't for a long time. And its having an adverse effect on the poor and minorities.

Not that far-Left progressives really give a hoot about them.


"As for enforcing our existing immigration laws, we don't and we haven't for a long time." Might that be an indication of its level of priority across the country?

Nice touch on your last sentence, too.


Go ahead and keep making personal insults, Mike. That always shows how right you are.

While I'm glad you agree with me that the great majority of jobs taken by illegals are not farm based, you still haven't proven why workers in any field need to be illegal. They could be foreigners but why must they be illegal? We have -or had- temporary work visas.

And it's not clear. Are you saying we should -not- pay farm workers a fairer wage in order to protect the family farm? You don't think we could find a solution to that... beyond the current disaster of breaking laws and erasing borders?

If our enforcement were supposedly working, how is it that the number of illegals is so high? Why is Obama inviting illegals? Why the Democrat sanctuary cities?

The answer, again, is so the DNC can inflation the numbers of future Democrat voters, with plenty of oligarch fat cats profiting as well.

Unfortunately for them the people are finally waking up to the fact that they've been had, and things are going to change.


^^^ They could be foreigners but why must they be illegal? ^^^

Milton Friedman answered that question, and explained how illegals and citizens alike benefited, but only without welfare to draw them here. We no longer have that scenario.


Personal insults? What personal insults? Did I call you any colorful Gualalan names? Please point to a single personal insult.

Not sure what you found objectionable, but I'll certainly be more cognizant of your tender sensitivities too.

Sorry, but if you're not going to read what I post, there isn't much point in continuing. One of my linked articles addressed the work visa issue for farmworkers.

And my only point was to disprove your contention that illegals are squatting on jobs that could go to Americans. I think I proved about eight ways from Sunday that it simply isn't true, that Americans don't want these jobs.

I have no interest in following you into the weeds of labor policy, farm wages or law enforcement... let alone your ongoing fantasy inventions off my words. I've never said anything about 1) workers needing to be illegal, 2) Obama inviting illegals, 3) what is and isn't working enforcement-wise, 4) sanctuary cities, 5) what farmworker pay should be, etc. etc. etc. (I did follow you into your salute to Mexico's immigration policy, but that was simply too otherwordly to pass up.)

I addressed your point that these are lost American jobs. You haven't once debated my point that they are not. Your debate technique is to repeatedly change the subject when proven wrong, and that's a rabbit hole. I'll pass.

Back to work.


Mike your examples focused on farm jobs Americans won't do. Then you make a leap that Americans won't do other work as well, using that fallacy to say illegals aren't squatting those jobs. Boloney.

One example: a meat packing company that switched to using illegals instead of native workers:

“They would fire blacks for penny-ante things because they knew there were lots of Mexicans ready to come to work. And they knew they could control the Mexicans and make them afraid to vote for the union.” ...

"But ironically the most decisive factor in the union’s victory may have been immigration enforcement raids at Tar Heel in 2007. The raids’ immediate result, the arrest of several dozen workers, was followed by the departure of hundreds of others who feared arrest on charges of violating immigration laws.

"Their exodus led to an abrupt switch in the plant’s demographics. By the time of the vote on UFCW representation, the majority of workers were once again native-born black Americans, as they had been in the years immediately after the plant opened in 1992. Newspaper reports said "The 2007 raids purged the plant of illegal Hispanic workers, and left behind a majority of native workers." .... Web Link


uffish...

I very specifically addressed SMALL businesses. SMALL. Family farms, local restaurants, independent packing houses etc.

The issue I addressed in no way applies to a company like Smithfield, with $13 billion in annual revenues. Completely different kettle of fish. Or in this case bacon.

Interesting that the illegal-worker situation was rectified by a bitterly fought unionization campaign -- which could not happen today, with the de-fanged union movement in this country. Unions were actually a powerful force in keeping out illegal workers. No more.

Also interesting that Smithfield eventually ran out of road and went Communist... sold out to a Chinese government-front company two years ago.


No, Mike, that illegal worker situation was rectified by ICE raids after which the illegal packers packed up and left, returning American jobs to grateful Americans. It's rubbish therefore to say that "Americans won't do those jobs".

Illegals are also squatting in jobs in every size company. Employers love them for their complacent demeanor, like the H1Bs.

The jobs they take aren't just unpleasant ones either- they're in millions of entry level jobs, displacing teens who want work experience and seniors who sometimes need a low stress job. Those jobs don't need to be squatted by illegals either.

Sorry but there's no excuse.


^^^ your examples focused on farm jobs Americans won't do. ^^^

I flatly reject the notion that there are jobs Americans won't do. If you pay them enough, they'll get the job done. And the only way to determine how high that wage should be is to close down the pseudo-slave class that is readily available to benefit crony capitalists. At the very least, any durable solution includes securing the border and identifying and locating those that aren't here legally.

What you do with them is still up for debate.

Were it up to me, I'd utilize a combination of forced deportion, voluntary deportation and symbolic deprtation. Forced deportation would occur first and concentrate on convicted felons and terrorists. I'm pretty sure that can be accomplished with current laws. (Or with a phone and a pen.)

Fence? My preference is no -- it seems so anti-American, but that's just me. I'd rather invest in additional processing centers so it is easier for visitors and migrant workers to enter legally (and easier for us to keep track of them). This would substantially reduce open border crossings, as would the addition of hundreds of border patrol on foot, horseback, jeep or in Montana operating an armed drone along our southern border.

I'd just like to improve the lot of our own poor and tired before serving as a relief valve for the corrupt country of Mexico. Their oligarchs make our oligarchs look like angels.


No, uffish, those ICE raids were triggered by years of union complaints that produced federal findings of unfair labor practices, including Smithfield hiring an in-house police force to arrest union organizers. This was a unique, isolated example of a labor battle at a 45,000-employee company stretching back more than 20 years... a company that forced out its employees during said labor battle and replaced them with illegals.. a company now owned by Beijing. This case isn't remotely typical of today's labor situation. It's a one-off with no connection to the reality faced by today's family farmers and independent restaurants.

As to your belief that illegals are taking "low-stress" jobs that students and seniors want... that's simply not true. They're not working at Home Depot or serving up fries at the drive-thru or stocking the shelves at Safeway.

Who says so?

Well, according to multiple sources, including the Wall Street Journal, 70% of ALL US farmworkers are undocumented immigrants. SEVENTY PERCENT. That's the labor force basis of an entire industry on which America depends. Web Link

Web Link

Tell me you really believe that American grandfathers and teenagers would be eagerly picking cotton and tomatoes in Georgia if illegals weren't there.

And according to Pew Research: "Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants are clustered in a few occupations, notably farming, fishing and forestry (26 percent of the workforce), building and grounds (17 percent), and construction and mining (14 percent). They comprise 24 percent of all groundskeepers, 23 percent of domestic workers and 20 percent of those in clothing manufacture." Web Link

Sorry, but the idea that "squatting" illegals are keeping Joe College, Grandpa Fred and Muffy Cheerleader out of the mines, off the fishing boats and away from the clothing assembly lines is just plain ridiculous.


==>> Why shouldn't the USA be allowed to set and enforce its own immigration policies. Why should that be up to "Ricardo" and his clan

I'm not sure who his clan is, but he's one of many who contribute to society, SSI, and the IRS.

Go ahead and rough-up the billionaires who need these workers. See what happens.

Nothing. No one's going to up and leave America voluntarily and if "conservatives" really wanted them out they'd be out.

This is a distraction from serious problems. Politicos get the rubes stirred up with ideological nonsense that accomplishes less than nothing ( Iraq War) while they screw us. Go ahead. Lose the Hispanic vote with Trump's

racist banter. It's amusing


>>"I flatly reject the notion that there are jobs Americans won't do."<<

Have a chat with some of the dairy farmers in your area. You may hear a different view.


And I flatly reject the idea that we should continue to allow a culture of illegal workforce with its associated crime. This Democrat has it right (from Mike's last link):

"Thomas Carper (D-Del), the ranking Democrat at Thursday’s hearing, said that U.S. officials “need to get serious about enforcing laws against the hiring of undocumented immigrants,” but that the government must also “provide adequate ways for immigrants to work here legally when we do need help.”


^^^ racist banter. It's amusing ^^^

And some still deny that it is the plan of the Democrats to racialize every issue to agitate and drive minorities to the polls. Even illegals.

^^^ Have a chat with some of the dairy farmers in your area. You may hear a different view. ^^^

No need to -- I've done those jobs myself as well as other back breaking agricultural and industrial jobs.

Americans can and will do any job well if you pay them enough.


No need to -- I've done those jobs myself as well as other back breaking agricultural and industrial jobs.

Lots of us have. Those Summer jobs were great. But the industry needs full timers, not the Summer kiddies in-between semesters.


They weren't just "summer jobs," and that's not relevant anyway. They were just the type of jobs that supporters of corporate welfare claim Americans won't do. That entire argument is hogwash and smacks of racism, as in "We Americans are too good to get dirt under our fingernails."

But it's not just those jobs. It's jobs that prevent half of our American STEM graduates from getting work. As in "Americans need not apply": Web Link


Time to focus on the absurd immigration proposals of the Democrats:

Web Link

Seems that are further outside the mainstream than some of the clowns howling about Trump's proposals.


I don't buy the argument either, that Americans won't do farm labor. I know a lot of white Americans who did farm and ranching jobs for years before moving into other professions as they got older. These guys are still fond of their time spent working outdoors vs the tech jobs they're in now.

Wonderful link, FD. Prof Norm Matloff, self described as far left leaning, has been a champion of American tech workers for decades.


Too bad The Great Fence of Donaldo has not been erected...

One Dead in Saturday Shooting in Half Moon Bay...

Web Link


How do you know an illegal did this?


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